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| caribou | Don't want to be too annoying, but is this removal of some of the 5.15 / 5.19 kernel packages from the archive a normal situation ? | 07:15 |
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| alkisg | caribou: what packages, do you mean old ones that have been superseded? | 07:23 |
| juergh | caribou: we don't remove packages from the archive. /me thinks. | 07:23 |
| caribou | yes, some of them but not all | 07:23 |
| caribou | This is one example of them : linux-image-5.15.0-52-generic | 07:24 |
| alkisg | Yeah, superseded, we're in -71- now | 07:25 |
| juergh | should still be in the archive though | 07:26 |
| caribou | here is a listing : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CNmXJHsW29/ | 07:26 |
| ultratox | But how come old versions disappeared from the archive? | 07:26 |
| alkisg | Then apt update would need a lot more data, if all the versions of all the packages were being kept ... | 07:26 |
| caribou | that's our question : for some reason one kernel version was pinned for installation and now the install fails since it is no longer there | 07:26 |
| alkisg | And mirrors too | 07:26 |
| alkisg | AFAIK the original kernel is kept, from the installation media, and the two last ones | 07:27 |
| ultratox | When du the purges occur? | 07:27 |
| juergh | Kernels are different. A new kernel version is a new package (not just a new version of an existing package). So should always be in the archive. | 07:28 |
| ultratox | For the 5.19 in Jammy, only the last one has been kept for example, so this does not seem to comply with this policy. | 07:29 |
| alkisg | Well, apt install linux-image-5.15.0- and tab-tab, shows only 25 and 71 available (25 is the original one from the installation media) | 07:29 |
| caribou | alkisg: the current situation is a change from what is always been the case : all kernel packages were present in the archive | 07:30 |
| caribou | you could pretty well need to go back to an old kernel package + dbgsym for crash dump analysis for instance | 07:31 |
| alkisg | caribou: I'm just a long time user so my opinion isn't too important. But I've never seen more than 2-3 versions of the same kernel in the archive in the last 10 years. | 07:31 |
| alkisg | caribou: in these cases, I had to download it from launchpad, where they are kept | 07:31 |
| caribou | yes but right now there not even on launchpad : https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/linux-image-5.15.0-52-generic | 07:32 |
| caribou | does 404 | 07:32 |
| alkisg | They're in the build history | 07:32 |
| alkisg | Your link there is the archive, not the launchpad build | 07:32 |
| juergh | hrm | 07:32 |
| juergh | juergh@gollum:~$ curl -s http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ | grep linux-image-unsigned-5.4.0-[0-9]*-generic | wc -l... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/c721c575159c7bc64a588a56494227ee6b452234>) | 07:32 |
| alkisg | caribou: here's a link to get you started: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory | 07:33 |
| alkisg | From there you'll end up in the .debs | 07:34 |
| alkisg | So when I needed to pin an older kernel, I always used the "installation media" one | 07:34 |
| alkisg | That's available via apt, instead of searching launchpad and using wget | 07:34 |
| caribou | This is still a sudden deviation from what it used to be | 07:50 |
| ultratox | As of march 1st, for example, there was still 20 releases of the 5.15.0 kernel available from the Jammy repositories, including the original -25, going from -27 through -60. So there must have been either a deletion mistake or a deliberate purge. Whatever it is, there must be some kind of explanation somewhere. | 08:02 |
| alkisg | ultratox: I've never seen that, I believe you somehow remember wrong | 08:05 |
| ultratox | alkisg: Try this command on an up-to-date Bionic, Focal and Jammy --> apt-cache search linux-image | grep -E '^linux-image-[0-9].*-generic' | sort -t. -nk2 | 08:11 |
| alkisg | ultratox: I think you're right, I think I was confused with the result of `apt policy linux-generic`, which only lists the last and the original version | 08:12 |
| alkisg | And the commands that juergh has posted also verify what you're saying | 08:13 |
| alkisg | (i.e. I was pinning linux-generic instead of individual kernel packages) | 08:13 |
| ultratox | So, is this possible that there was a mistake? Any reversion possible? | 08:26 |
| soeby | Hi, does anybody know why all but the latest kernel versions for Jammy, has gone missing from the jammy-updates repo and is now only in proposed ?. This happened on Tuesday morning (UTC) | 09:32 |
| caribou | soeby: have a look at the logs, we discussed it a few minutes ago : https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/05/11/%23ubuntu-kernel.html | 09:34 |
| ultratox | soeby: We happen to be talking about this | 09:35 |
| soeby | sorry - I just joined the sorry :-) | 09:35 |
| ultratox | Good thing you add your voice to this cry for help ;-) | 09:35 |
| soeby | On May 8th, we had 23 kernels (-27 through to -71) in the updates repo. On May 9th, only one (-71) was available. | 09:57 |
| soeby | 5.15 series ^^ | 09:59 |
| ultratox | Have you got any log regarding the 5.19? | 09:59 |
| soeby | @ultravox - yes, apparently the versions from 5.19.0-28 to -40 went missing on the 10th, so a bit later... | 10:03 |
| tjaalton | read ubuntu-release@, it was announced in late april that obsolete kernel abi versions are getting cleaned now | 10:04 |
| tjaalton | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2023-April/005625.html | 10:05 |
| soeby | @tjaalton - so the resolution for installing an older (possibly working) kernel is to enable the proposed repo ? | 10:12 |
| tjaalton | no | 10:12 |
| tjaalton | you install the metapackage | 10:13 |
| soeby | ...but I do not *want* the latest kernel | 10:13 |
| tjaalton | then you keep your own mirror | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | and don't remove stuff | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | if proposed still has them, I think it's an oversight | 10:16 |
| soeby | The .deb packages are still there - so the size of mirrors are the same... only what is included in -security and -updates definitions are changing. | 10:19 |
| juergh | For the record, I believe it's always possible to get package from LP: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/<debname>. For example: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/linux-image-5.15.0-30-generic_5.15.0-30.31_arm64.deb | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | anyway, it's pointless to complain about it here, use the mailing list | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | or discourse, since it's the Future | 10:22 |
| soeby | @tjaalton - I will... | 10:22 |
| caribou | thanks for the clarification tjaalton | 11:50 |
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