| blahdeblah | Weird - I wonder what else broke the extensions then? I have reinstalled and they're working, but I'd really like to understand what happened. | 00:00 |
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| Guest4 | hi all | 02:03 |
| Guest4 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aQ618etpuxdPCjiP3rZftWCVwx-BMBd7/view?usp=sharing | 02:03 |
| Guest4 | I was creating the USB stick to install the latest version of Ubuntu but it gives me this error, I also tried to download the file again but it always gives me this error when I do the first step of selecting files in Balena etcher | 02:05 |
| sarnold | that kinda looks like a windows dialog box? you might want to ask in #windows | 02:09 |
| Guest4 | yes i'm by windows because now ubuntu is not installed | 02:11 |
| leftyfb | Guest4: you're asking for help with a Windows application installed on Windows. Please ask for help with it in #windows | 02:12 |
| passnullcode | hi | 02:12 |
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| Guest4 | hi all | 07:21 |
| Guest4 | i'm trying to create usb pendrive to install ubuntu 22.04.1 | 07:21 |
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| Guest4 | SPLIT | 07:23 |
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| Guest4 | i'm trying to create usb pendrive to install ubuntu 24.04.1 | 07:24 |
| Guest4 | in the application to create this usb pen drive which file system should I select to create? | 07:24 |
| Guest4 | Large FAT32 which is already selected as default or should I put NTFS? | 07:24 |
| toddc | Guest4: what os are you using to ceate it | 07:29 |
| LuckyMan | and what app | 07:30 |
| toddc | Guest4: official install guide at https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview | 07:30 |
| Guest4 | rufus | 07:31 |
| Guest4 | toddc | 07:31 |
| LuckyMan | use Ventoy instead, it's simpler | 07:31 |
| LuckyMan | you just need to copy the .iso | 07:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | follow the guide. or if you want multipe isos ventoy is a good option | 07:31 |
| Guest4 | toddc i was using balena but it gave me a common error | 07:32 |
| LuckyMan | ventoy is the best | 07:32 |
| Guest4 | https://github.com/balena-io/etcher/issues/4150 | 07:33 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 4150 in balena-io/etcher "Error: (0 , h.requestMetadata) is not a function" [Open] | 07:33 | |
| Guest4 | toddc i have read the guide but it doesn't tell what file system to choose | 07:33 |
| Guest4 | sixwheeledbeast i don't know what means multiple isos, i'm just creating the usb pendrive to install ubuntu 24.04.1 | 07:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | say if you wanted more than one version of ubuntu on the same device as a live-usb | 07:35 |
| Guest4 | no, just one version, the latest | 07:36 |
| toddc | fast 32 if you already had ubuntu the built in startup disk creator will select the format that is why i asked now at this point eith dd or a older version etcher | 07:36 |
| Guest4 | 24.04.1 LTS | 07:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | the guide does cover rufus and balena-etcher. | 07:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | fat is fine. | 07:37 |
| Guest4 | toddc now i'm not using balena etcher because previously it gave me that error about metadata, now i'm using rufus | 07:37 |
| Guest4 | sixwheeledbeast do i have to choose Large FAT32? | 07:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I've never used balena-etcher, I don't see why not? | 07:39 |
| Guest4 | sixwheeledbeast now i'm using rufus and NOT balena. I don't know why not, i just don't know which do i have to select | 07:40 |
| Guest4 | just 2 options: Large FAT32 and NTFS | 07:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok so continue with FAT32 | 07:40 |
| Guest4 | Large FAT 32 (default) or NTFS | 07:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | use the default yes | 07:41 |
| Guest4 | OK THANKS | 07:41 |
| toddc | large fat32 I assume a large usb 32g+ but it may treat all sizes the same A while back their were issues with rufus but as a ubuntu/linux user ?? dd or startup disk creator are my main tools | 07:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I most recently use ventoy, but I don't want to complicate things. the guide on ubuntu walks you through how to do it on either Win/Mac/buntu. I do feel helping with making a buntu iso is on topic, even if it is being done on Win with Win tools. | 08:30 |
| NDPMacBook | I've used both Rufus (on Windows) and BalenciaEtcher (on macOS) they both work fine. | 08:42 |
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| renard | Hi! Got a Snap-related question. I've got an application (Mattermost Desktop), and I'm using Gitlab to auth and login to it. This means that when launching Mattermost, you get a http button opening your browser (Firefox) with a login page, you log into Gitlab, and then you're normally kicked back to the Mattermost client (with some token?) and proceed | 09:38 |
| renard | With Mattermost Desktop *and* Firefox being both snaps, the second part just doesn't happen. You login to Gitlab, then Firefox waits forever, and Mattermost waits forever too, not receiving the auth validation | 09:39 |
| ravage | https://github.com/snapcrafters/mattermost-desktop/issues/102 | 09:40 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 102 in snapcrafters/mattermost-desktop "[Bug]: new version does not login correctly with SSO" [Open] | 09:40 | |
| renard | I guess I'd need to configure *some* snap interface/plug somehow, but I have no idea how that's supposed to work… I don't see just a "http" kind of plug on Mattermost Desktop for instance | 09:40 |
| renard | Oh thanks! | 09:40 |
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| Aliekezi | hi, I have nore more wifi since I updated from 22.04 to 24.04-1 (nothing related appear in the network-manager icons or menus). from the output of lshw it seems the card isn't used. lspci shows my card with iwlwifi supposed to be used. My card is Wi-Fi 6 AX201 from intel | 09:48 |
| Aliekezi | it see a lot of linux-modules-iwlwifi-xxx packages but none is installed. I also see "backport-iwlwifi-dkms" not installed | 09:50 |
| vlt | Aliekezi: I would propably try first if wifi works from a 24.04 live iso and, if yes, look what module is used. | 09:53 |
| * russell-- looking for a clue stick | 10:26 | |
| russell-- | i have a macbook 12 (2015, aka macbook8,1 i gueess). in the ubuntu 24.04 liveboot/installer the integrated keyboard and trackpad work. i run the installation and reboot into the installed system, suddenly the keyboard and trackpad don't work and i get a bunch of dmesg's along the lines of "applespi spi-APP000D:00: Error reading from device: -110" | 10:28 |
| JanC | I don't have any experience with that hardware, but did you try searching for that error on the web? | 10:30 |
| russell-- | JanC: yes | 10:33 |
| russell-- | okay, weird. now it's working inexplicably. evidently, more data is needed | 10:51 |
| ice9 | this package file-roller has been deferred for phasing since almost a month till now | 11:05 |
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| russell-- | seems like about half the time i cold or warm boot, no keyboard / touchpad | 11:36 |
| russell-- | seems streaky | 11:37 |
| russell-- | doesn't seem deterministic, tried with docking port plugged and unplugged, power plugged and unplugged. | 11:37 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:15 |
| Guest4 | where is the button on ventoy to add .ISO file i have downloaded? | 13:04 |
| Guest4 | it doesn't appear in the app | 13:04 |
| lotuspsychj3 | Guest4: ventoy is not an officialy supported ubuntu program | 13:04 |
| Guest4 | some people today talked about it to create the usb stick | 13:05 |
| lotuspsychj3 | Guest4: yeah, agree its a pretty decent app, but the volunteers here cant support it officialy | 13:06 |
| ravage | Also you don't need an App to add ISOs to ventoy | 13:06 |
| lotuspsychj3 | there are several tutorials online Guest4 | 13:07 |
| ravage | You just copy it to the correct location | 13:07 |
| Guest4 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w1sRl5cXJEXWIevHL78-dQTeE-s0zsBP/view?usp=sharing | 13:09 |
| Guest4 | lotuspsychj3 ravage | 13:09 |
| ravage | Refer to their documentation for the initial setup | 13:10 |
| Guest4 | ravage do i need first to put ventoy on usb pen? | 13:10 |
| ravage | Yes | 13:10 |
| Guest4 | it's difficult to have free my pen at now | 13:11 |
| Guest4 | it still give me error of write protection, i don't know how to make it free from this error and use it again as before | 13:12 |
| lotuspsychj3 | !usb | Guest4 see also | 13:14 |
| ubottu | Guest4 see also: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 13:14 |
| eelstrebor | why would a package be downgraded? this is the second time in 2 months that firefox has been downgraded | 13:19 |
| ravage | Ubuntu delivers firefox as a snap | 13:21 |
| ravage | and that does not downgrade | 13:21 |
| ravage | if you use any any 3rd party repo to get firefox please ask their support | 13:21 |
| eelstrebor | the snap version didn't work right so i added the mozilla repository and got firefox from there | 13:27 |
| ravage | so please ask them about their repo | 13:28 |
| tz | I struggle to configure letterboxing with xrandr. My problem is, that windows are drawn into the letterboxes seemingly at random. And I want them to stay black. | 13:29 |
| supesdupes | Hi. What other options does one have for a more customized install experience for ubuntu desktop? Red hat/fedora has a netinstall + kickstart. Debian has the ISO builder application and netinstaller also. But what does ubuntu have as an option? | 13:29 |
| ravage | supesdupes autoinstall | 13:29 |
| ravage | https://canonical-subiquity.readthedocs-hosted.com/en/latest/intro-to-autoinstall.html | 13:30 |
| supesdupes | Isn't that deprecated? | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | no, it's the latest newest thing | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | you may be thinking about the old netinstall .iso images | 13:31 |
| ravage | some say too new. but thats a topic for the discussion channel | 13:31 |
| supesdupes | This autoinstall, lets you decide to exclude or include packages as your decision? | 13:33 |
| mgedmin | include: yes; exclude: not really, but you can run `apt-get remove ...` in late-commands | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | afaiu the way ubuntu installation works is that the installer copies the files from the live system image, instead of dealing with packages | 13:37 |
| ravage | you could start with the server iso and upgrade to a desktop. but then you lose a lot of the desktop specific things the desktop autoinstall could do for you | 13:38 |
| ravage | and the minimal desktop setting really only comes with the basic | 13:38 |
| ravage | minimal as in the new default | 13:38 |
| sevenstar6 | http://peacemakergame.com revelation 20 gog and magog... | 13:45 |
| sevenstar6 | awaymsg | 13:48 |
| sevenstar6 | how ? | 13:48 |
| supesdupes | Would it be fair to say that snaps were designed with enterprise in mind compared to flatpak, which seems to be more tailored to the average joe? | 13:54 |
| ravage | snap started on a mobile platform. then went to IOT and now also supports desktop | 13:55 |
| ravage | and because you could call Ubuntu the "average Joe" Linux so is snap now probably 🙂 | 13:56 |
| speeder | Hello! Is there a premade variation of Ubuntu that uses Xorg instead of Wayland? | 14:36 |
| ravage | yes. Ubuntu | 14:38 |
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| speeder | Ubuntu doesn't use Wayland by default? | 14:38 |
| ravage | logout. click your username. click the gear icon. select Xorg | 14:38 |
| speeder | ah. | 14:38 |
| speeder | Does this work on Kubuntu too? (I am on Arch right now but my boss asked me to install whatever is installed in our EC2... and what is installed there is Ubuntu Lunar with Xorg) | 14:39 |
| tomreyn | speeder: if you need something which, dy default, boots into xorg on the live system: i think xfwm/xfce does not work on wayland, yet, so Xubuntu should default to xorg. | 14:39 |
| tomreyn | what is "Ubuntu Lunar"? | 14:40 |
| speeder | Lunar Lobster | 14:40 |
| tomreyn | !lunar | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster) was the 38th release of Ubuntu, support ended on January 25, 2024. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-December/000297.html | 14:40 |
| ravage | eh. please use 24.04 | 14:40 |
| speeder | tell that to Amazon. Lastest release they officially support is Lunar Lobster. I dunno why. | 14:40 |
| ravage | i am not sure about Kubuntu actually. but just boot the Live USB | 14:40 |
| tomreyn | only even years (so far) are LTS releases | 14:41 |
| ravage | Kubuntu uses another login manager. but im sure you can switch it too | 14:41 |
| ravage | but just test it. and please dont install an unsupported release | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychj3 | kubuntu is also working on making wayland support better | 14:42 |
| ravage | you can also ask in #kubuntu | 14:42 |
| tomreyn | speeder: aws marketplace lists ubuntu 24.04 | 14:42 |
| tomreyn | https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-s4zvkzmlirbga | 14:43 |
| speeder | great :D this mean we can update, after I fix our bug (the software I am maintaining for some reason doesn't work with recent nVidia drivers) | 14:43 |
| ravage | keep in mind Kubuntu support is not during the whole LTS support span | 14:44 |
| ravage | correct me if im wrong. but its 3 years? | 14:44 |
| tomreyn | so far, i think so, but it's better to check release notes | 14:44 |
| tomreyn | for LTS releases, that is | 14:45 |
| speeder | I guess I will stick with Ubuntu and install whatever window manager I prefer. | 14:46 |
| tomreyn | that'll bring you into the same situation | 14:46 |
| speeder | as for supported Ubuntu on Amazon, I got info from here: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/systems-manager/latest/userguide/operating-systems-and-machine-types.html | 14:47 |
| tomreyn | that's AWS documentation for the "Systems Manager" product. AWS documentation may occasionally lag behind when it comes to references to third party software / AMIs | 14:48 |
| tomreyn | in this case, it discusses which OSes and OS versions are supported by AWS "Systems Manager". That's a different topic than whether newer Ubuntu releases, in general, are available and supported on AWS. | 14:49 |
| Square2 | When is the 22.04 -> 24.04 ugprade made available through "Software updates"? | 14:50 |
| tomreyn | "Ubuntu Server" does not include a GUI (which Ubuntu Desktop and flavours do - some of whose packages may have different support lifecycles) | 14:50 |
| Square2 | maybe it's called automatic upgrade? | 14:51 |
| tomreyn | speeder: ^ this was to you | 14:51 |
| Square2 | oh, it's out i see now | 14:52 |
| speeder | I think we use Ubuntu Server with Xorg installed. | 14:53 |
| tomreyn | Square2: when curl -s https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts | grep -o 'Dist: noble' creates output | 14:53 |
| Square2 | oh, so not out yey | 14:54 |
| Square2 | yet | 14:54 |
| Square2 | But but https://9to5linux.com/you-can-now-upgrade-ubuntu-22-04-lts-to-ubuntu-24-04-lts-heres-how ? | 14:54 |
| tomreyn | speeder: xorg is probably supported for 5 years as part of Ubuntu Desktop, but other packages you have installed for the graphical UI are probably not supported for 5 years. | 14:54 |
| happymeal | mate is the way :D | 14:54 |
| speeder | Makes sense. | 14:55 |
| speeder | Well, we are using EOLed Ubuntu anyway :/ | 14:55 |
| tomreyn | happymeal: i'm afraid this would not provide 5 years of support either | 14:56 |
| tomreyn | speeder: looks like it - try changing it, and consider getting "pro". | 14:56 |
| happymeal | yeah sorry i wasnt paying attention closely, just chiming in with my favorite UI :D | 14:57 |
| speeder | Oh I see. We ARE using Systems Manager, and indeed it doesn't support new Ubuntu. | 14:58 |
| speeder | (or Pro, it seems) | 14:58 |
| tomreyn | "Ubuntu Pro" is an add-on to (amongst other) the AWS AMIs, I don't think it gets in the way of AWS SSM. | 15:00 |
| ravage | and pro is also more suited for you server. especially if you want to use Kubuntu on your desktop | 15:01 |
| ravage | that still has the 3 year limit even with Pro | 15:01 |
| tomreyn | well, pro has that best effort security support for universe | 15:02 |
| ravage | you may get updates. sure | 15:02 |
| ravage | i dont use Kubuntu so i dont know if there are updates our for like kubuntu 18.04 🙂 | 15:03 |
| ravage | *out | 15:03 |
| tomreyn | https://ubuntu.com/security/esm suggests that full "Pro" (without the "infra-only" tag) gets 10 years of (not just best effort) support for 23000 packages in universe | 15:06 |
| ravage | yep. but that always require someone to look for security problems in that outdated versions | 15:07 |
| ravage | and nobody else uses these older packages anymore i think | 15:07 |
| tomreyn | i assume there are only 23K packages in universe (have not checked) and that Canonical claims to provide security support for all of them. | 15:08 |
| tomreyn | speeder: https://ubuntu.com/aws/pro may be relevant to you | 15:08 |
| ravage | yes they do. but i dont think they hired enough people to check the source codes | 15:09 |
| ravage | there needs to be a CVE | 15:09 |
| tomreyn | oh, got you now | 15:09 |
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| JanC | a CVE or a bug report, I suppose | 15:10 |
| Square2 | Do you prefer to upgrade or make a fresh install whenever a new LTS is released? | 15:10 |
| ravage | depend | 15:10 |
| ravage | s | 15:10 |
| ravage | did both. both worked | 15:11 |
| ravage | if i feel my system is cluttered anyway i wipe and reinstall | 15:11 |
| tomreyn | JanC: just security support, i think, so it'd take a CVE, most likely, maybe a launchpad bug with a public/private security tag would also work. | 15:11 |
| tomreyn | Square2: regarding the 9to5linux.com article - i assume that LTS upgrades to 24.04 were supported at some point and have since been disabled due to a serious bug. | 15:13 |
| ravage | yes it was enabled | 15:13 |
| Square2 | oh ok | 15:13 |
| ravage | did not know it was stopped. but my mastodon hinted that this may have been a good idea | 15:13 |
| Square2 | what was the bug? | 15:13 |
| ravage | installer crashing i think | 15:14 |
| ravage | we had some of those here too in the last days | 15:14 |
| tomreyn | Square2: you can always override this by passing the -d (development) option to do-release-upgrade - at your own risk. i recommend at least reading the known bugs section of the release notes before trying this. and having complete and reliable backups, of course. | 15:14 |
| ravage | but i think most of them had some 3rd party repos enabled | 15:14 |
| tomreyn | https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts was last updated yesterday. | 15:17 |
| Square2 | tomreyn, I'll wait for the official release. Just curious. | 15:18 |
| tomreyn | so just run a daily cronjob: curl -s https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts | grep -o 'Dist: noble' >/dev/null && echo '"Noble" LTS upgrade is available!' | 15:20 |
| Square | 15:34 | |
| manwhowouldbekin | Hi all. I am on Ubuntu 24.04. Every now and then, my PC suddenly reboots. I have done some hardware tests to no avail. I would like to see if there is a journal or log on OS side in which I could look for possible causes. | 16:53 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: feel free to share your dmesg in a !paste please, so the volunteers can take a look for you | 16:55 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, any particular command? | 16:56 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: sudo dmesg , please | 16:56 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, https://pastebin.com/CCEyNbHK | 16:58 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: why are you on kernel 5.18 please? | 16:59 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, Not sure. Awhile ago I experimented with kernel compilation. Since then, I have not followed the updates. Should it be newer at this point? | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychj3 | !info linux-image-generic noble | 17:00 |
| ubottu | linux-image-generic (6.8.0-41.41, noble): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta. Size 11 kB / 17 kB. (Only available for amd64, armhf, arm64, ppc64el, s390x.) | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: ^should be your current 24.04 kernel version | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: reboot into 6.8 and see if you still get your reboot issues | 17:01 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, So, just to be clear, in my boot menu I have several kernels, among which 5.18 is the highest 5.xx version. Above those there is "Ubuntu" option to select. Is that the one you suggest? | 17:02 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: check your kernel list with; dpkg --list | grep linux-image | 17:04 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, https://pastebin.com/c2dGu29k | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: i think something went pretty wrong there | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: lsb_release -a | 17:06 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, https://pastebin.com/LiCc9K48 | 17:07 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: try sudo apt install linux-image-generic | 17:08 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, Appears to have run successfully. Should I reboot and see if it appears on the list? | 17:10 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: did it pull kernel 6.8? | 17:10 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, Yes. It said that in the terminal | 17:10 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: ok reboot please | 17:10 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, brb | 17:11 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, I am back, booted into 6.8 Something is way off with my graphics. The resolution looks very distorted and there is a green hue everywhere on the wallpaper. I also cannot access the settings to change that for some reason. | 17:18 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: sudo dmesg , again please | 17:18 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, When I click to open the terminal, it is located on the screen such that I cannot see it due to distortion. Any way to go about that? | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: my guess would be your nvidia driver maybe not properly installed | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: try logout and switch to xorg instead of wayland ( if thats not the case already) | 17:21 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, Not sure I understand fully. Do logout and then? | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: when logged out, you can choose ubuntu(wayland) or ubuntu(xorg) | 17:22 |
| lotuspsychj3 | see wich one you are on | 17:22 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, I shall try now, but I don't think I have ever seen those terms on mine. | 17:23 |
| manwhowouldbekin | Is there a key combo to logout? I cannot access any normal buttons. | 17:23 |
| Bardon | Hello, if I want to uninstall a package from GUI, where should I go? App center only lists snap packages | 17:24 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: ctrl alt del | 17:26 |
| z4X | hello ppl someone can help me setup mailx to send email login ssh ? | 17:27 |
| twelvnighn | hell | 17:29 |
| twelvnighn | o | 17:29 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, On my login screen there is nothing that contains either Wayland or Xorg. Mine has a tile with my username, topbar with some clickable buttons in the right corner and a date button in the middle. Towards the buttom there is an Ubuntu logo with an Orange circle. | 17:29 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: https://files.workcomposer.com/file/cms/1660045490210.jpg | 17:31 |
| twelvnighn | wot | 17:31 |
| nightnotdark | i kinda installed the flatpak on xubuntu and tried installing roblox from it, well it doesnt launch at all, how do i remove roblox ? | 17:32 |
| lotuspsychj3 | manwhowouldbekin: once on xorg, you can go check additional drivers in software&updates and see if nvidia driver is installed | 17:32 |
| nightnotdark | help, any1? | 17:33 |
| nightnotdark | lotuspsychj3? | 17:35 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, Mine does not have that. It looks quite different. I'll get you a picture shortly | 17:36 |
| nightnotdark | I kinda installed the flatpak on xubuntu and tried installing roblox from it, well it doesnt launch at all, how do i remove roblox ? | 17:36 |
| nightnotdark | hello?? | 17:37 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, https://pasteboard.co/926GdD5jtaGa.jpg | 17:38 |
| toddc | nightnotdark: flatpacks are not offially supported here so most user have not used or have a idea | 17:39 |
| toddc | nightnotdark: you are welcome to hangout and some may have a answer when they read it | 17:40 |
| nightnotdark | okay | 17:41 |
| nightnotdark | i did try sudo remove command but when i go to the disk usage analyzer, it shows theres a file of flatpaks | 17:41 |
| nightnotdark | i cant delete it, i dont have permission it says | 17:42 |
| nightnotdark | how do i bypass that | 17:42 |
| nightnotdark | militantorc hey | 17:42 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @nightnotdark, do flatpak list to see if it is installed via flatpak | 17:42 |
| nightnotdark | ok lemme see | 17:42 |
| nightnotdark | https://bpa.st/VLEYQ | 17:43 |
| nightnotdark | yeh look | 17:43 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @nightnotdark, I don't know what Roblox is, so it appears to me from your list that it was not installed via flatpak? | 17:46 |
| nightnotdark | so, what do i do | 17:51 |
| nightnotdark | ok so, dont care abt roblox, but what abt those things which were isntall via flatpak | 17:53 |
| nightnotdark | how i remove them | 17:53 |
| nightnotdark | manwhowouldbekin | 17:53 |
| militantorc | do flatpak --help | 17:53 |
| nightnotdark | cuz i went to the flatpak folder and tried deleting it | 17:53 |
| nightnotdark | flatpak --help ok | 17:53 |
| militantorc | don't touch those files | 17:53 |
| militantorc | never touch files made by a package manager | 17:54 |
| militantorc | only manipualte them through the interface of the package manager | 17:54 |
| nightnotdark | oh | 17:54 |
| nightnotdark | so, what do i do | 17:54 |
| militantorc | flatpak --help should list all the important commands and options of flatpak | 17:54 |
| militantorc | flatpak list to list the flatpaks | 17:54 |
| militantorc | flatpak unisntall name to uninstall one etc | 17:54 |
| nightnotdark | also the roblox was installed by "vinegar" smth | 17:55 |
| militantorc | Just use normal wine | 17:55 |
| militantorc | or play on linux oir whatever you like | 17:56 |
| militantorc | oh | 17:56 |
| militantorc | looks like vinegar is some launcher | 17:56 |
| militantorc | not wine related | 17:56 |
| militantorc | sorry | 17:56 |
| militantorc | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35681607 | 17:57 |
| militantorc | Roblox doesn't want to support linux, they deliberately hate linux apparently | 17:57 |
| militantorc | Not just letting live without support but intentionally blocking it | 17:58 |
| nightnotdark | oh ic | 17:59 |
| nightnotdark | well okay then | 17:59 |
| nightnotdark | i removed all items from list | 17:59 |
| nightnotdark | thanks for help | 17:59 |
| nightnotdark | bye | 17:59 |
| militantorc | Usually windows software which just didn't care to support linux isn't too bad and can be made to work, often as is. Its the crap that deliberately tries to block other oses, comes with malware in built etc thats tough to work with | 18:02 |
| Elliria | Hey there, is there a way to find out who's in charge of the ubuntu-users mailing list and to write to them privately? There seems to be a troll who's successfully getting generous, kind people to spend time in responding to him. | 18:08 |
| Bardon | Hello, if I want to uninstall a package from GUI, where should I go? App center only lists snap packages | 18:13 |
| Elliria | I think you'd want Synaptic for that. | 18:18 |
| manwhowouldbekin | @lotuspsychj3, in case you are back, this is what my login screen looks like, as per discussion above https://pasteboard.co/926GdD5jtaGa.jpg | 18:18 |
| JanC | Elliria: all mailing lists have a page like this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users | 18:31 |
| JanC | see at the bottom of that page | 18:31 |
| JanC | basically just add -owner to the list name, so mail to ubuntu-users-owner@ | 18:36 |
| Elliria | Ah, thank you. I totally missed the "list run by" part at the bottom. Thanks! | 18:37 |
| JanC | there are other mail addresses listed there, but -owner should get to all of them | 18:38 |
| Elliria | As long as I get somebody, I'm good. If it's the wrong somebody, they'll let me know. | 18:46 |
| JanC | the reason to use -owner is that some people might not be available all the time :) | 18:48 |
| Elliria | Ah, okay. | 18:53 |
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| Furai_ | Wast 24.04.1 pulled? | 19:20 |
| Furai_ | I don't see it anymore in do-release-upgrade or motd. | 19:22 |
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| Furai_ | https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts | 19:34 |
| Furai_ | Ok it's missing here for whatever reason. | 19:34 |
| Furai_ | So it's not reported as LTS. | 19:34 |
| PeGaSuS | Q: SSD died? https://filehost.0bin.xyz/ny4OeAfVUiSs.jpg | 19:37 |
| tomreyn | Furai: it appears that the LTS upgrade path to 24.04 has been disabled recently, possibly yesterday. | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | Furai_: ^ | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | PeGaSuS: it could also be a broken file system. its (short) UUID suggests it is a (non-journalling) vfat or (not fully supported in terms of management utilities) ntfs file system. | 19:43 |
| michaelp | Hi, is anyone able to fix https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts so that it includes the Noble 24.04.1 release? This is preventing people from upgrading using the do-release-upgrade script. | 19:44 |
| tomreyn | PeGaSuS: you should refer to the systemd journal or syslog for details, which may include media errors. alternatively, use smartctl to inspect the disk's status. | 19:44 |
| tomreyn | michaelp: i believe that the fact that the LTS release upgrade path to 24.04 is not currently available is intentional, probably while grave bugs are being fixed. | 19:45 |
| tomreyn | the "known bugs/issues" section of the 24.04 LTS release notes *may* have more information on this. | 19:46 |
| tomreyn | !notes | 19:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 24.04 (Noble Numbat) release notes can be found at https://ubottu.com/y/noble | 19:46 |
| michaelp | Interesting, so the upgrade path was released yesterday and then pulled. I wonder what the reason was. | 19:48 |
| PeGaSuS | tomreyn: the thing is that it was working perfectly, until I rebooted it (should have rebooted a few days ago). I can access the recovery but now I don't know what to do | 19:48 |
| tomreyn | PeGaSuS: i just suggested how to proceed | 19:49 |
| tomreyn | michaelp: i did not suggest that the upgrade path was enabled yesterday. | 19:49 |
| tomreyn | (I believe it was enabled earlier than that.) | 19:50 |
| ioria | michaelp, apt-cache policy update-manager-core | 19:51 |
| michaelp | I know, but people on AskUbuntu, the Ubuntu Forums, and Reddit are all reporting the upgrade broken around 15:01 when the release manifest was modified. It would just be nice to have communication from Canonical when the "Release an upgrade" and then pull it less than a week later. | 19:52 |
| tomreyn | michaelp: another regular here, who supports (maybe also manages) many installations, previously reported that they had the release upgrader crashing on systems with "foreign" (3rd party) packages. | 19:52 |
| tomreyn | have you checked their communication channels on it, though? | 19:53 |
| PeGaSuS | I need to create a USB stick with Ubuntu (don't have one). bbl | 19:53 |
| ioria | michaelp, update-manager-core is probably phased , so you would need to force it | 19:54 |
| michaelp | Apt-cache shows the latest version phased at 0% on version 1:22.04.20. Maybe it means they're still holding things back. I just upgraded it with bypassing the phased update. But the issue doesn't have to do with the upgrade script, the release is literally missing from the changelogs. If people are still reporting the script to crash, then maybe | 19:56 |
| michaelp | Canonical should post something on a mailing list, or heck, *anywhere* instead of silently modifying a file on an esoteric server | 19:56 |
| tomreyn | ioria: the release upgrader consults https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts to check whether the upgrade path is supported, and noble is not currently listed there, meaning also the newest release upgrader would not support upgrading at this time - in my understanding. | 19:56 |
| ioria | michaelp, tomreyn https://askubuntu.com/questions/1525477/unable-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-server-22-04-to-24-04-1 | 19:57 |
| michaelp | Yes I posted my findings on that Q | 19:57 |
| ioria | tomreyn, yes, maybe so | 19:58 |
| tomreyn | ioria: is there a specific part of this long page i should be reading? | 19:58 |
| ioria | tomreyn, nope | 19:58 |
| tomreyn | :) ok | 20:02 |
| ioria | michaelp, can you check if you have a '/home/$USER/.cache/update-manager-core/meta-release-lts' file ? | 20:02 |
| Bardon | Elliria: Sorry for the delay. Synaptic seems to work, but I'm surprised there no easier option for someone that is new to Ubuntu | 20:31 |
| Bardon | I installed Ubuntu to someone that isn't familiar with Linux distributions, and they asked me how to remove a software. There must be an easy way to do so with a GUI right? | 20:32 |
| Elliria | Sorry about that. I use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu, so I was of even less use than I normally could be. I'm glad it worked for you, though, and you can always come in here. | 20:32 |
| tomreyn | Bardon: i *do* think that a clean install would let you manage both snaps and debs from the graphical software "store" application | 20:32 |
| Elliria | You can remove software with Synaptic as well. | 20:33 |
| Elliria | You mark it for deletion and then apply. | 20:33 |
| tomreyn | Bardon: i think it's a terrible user experience but it should be technically possible | 20:33 |
| Bardon | tomreyn: the store app has a "manage" tab on the left, from which I see 5 apps | 20:34 |
| Bardon | My friend told me: what if I want to remove libreoffice? | 20:34 |
| Bardon | And it isn't there in the stop app | 20:34 |
| Bardon | I see only snaps | 20:34 |
| leftyfb | Bardon: https://imgur.com/a/YzkVBLz | 20:36 |
| tomreyn | this could be a result of removing a package which enables managing .deb's on this software store app. | 20:36 |
| leftyfb | the "Ubuntu Software" application | 20:36 |
| tomreyn | which ubuntu releases is everyone reeferring to? | 20:37 |
| Elliria | I'm seeing a bunch of files when I do a search for libreoffice in my software. You could do a search in Synaptic for it. I'm not sure what it would do to the system to get rid of them, though. | 20:37 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: in my case, 22.04 | 20:37 |
| Bardon | I am talking about 24.04.1 LTS | 20:37 |
| leftyfb | it should be the same | 20:37 |
| Elliria | I use Kubuntu 22.04 LTS. | 20:37 |
| leftyfb | Bardon: open the "Ubunut Software" application | 20:37 |
| leftyfb | who is asking to remove LibreOffice? | 20:37 |
| Bardon | leftyfb: A friend, just as an example, in case they wanted to remove an app | 20:38 |
| leftyfb | Bardon: are you running Ubuntu right now? | 20:38 |
| Bardon | leftyfb: This is what I see in the Ubuntu Software app https://imgur.com/a/APkK4Nw | 20:39 |
| Bardon | leftyfb: Yes | 20:39 |
| Bardon | Sorry it's not in english | 20:40 |
| Elliria | Can you type libreoffice into the box at the top to search for it? | 20:40 |
| Bardon | Elliria: Hmm, I don't have it installed in my laptop. It was only installed in my friend's | 20:42 |
| Bardon | I tried with vim | 20:42 |
| Bardon | and it offers to remove it :) | 20:42 |
| Elliria | I probably wouldn't dare. Heh. | 20:43 |
| Bardon | leftyfb: How did you get that nice list of installed packages? | 20:43 |
| leftyfb | 24.04 might have changed the layout | 20:43 |
| leftyfb | I'm running 22.04 | 20:43 |
| Bardon | Is it the app "snap-store" (if you launch it from terminal)? | 20:44 |
| leftyfb | yes | 20:44 |
| Bardon | Ok it changed then | 20:45 |
| Bardon | (icon is an A on an orange bag right?) | 20:45 |
| Bardon | Right, it says "App center version 1.0.0", must be something new | 20:46 |
| Bardon | That app has some interesting feature requests like https://github.com/ubuntu/app-center/issues/1704 | 20:51 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 1704 in ubuntu/app-center "Uninstalling a Debian package does not remove unused dependencies" [Open] | 20:51 | |
| Square2 | Has there been any date posted on 24.04.1 LTS release? | 20:52 |
| leftyfb | Square2: a week ago | 20:53 |
| tomreyn | Bardon: this does suggest that it's possible to uninstall .deb's from it, though? | 20:54 |
| Bardon | tomreyn: It is, but the only way I found is to manually search it in the search bar | 20:54 |
| Square2 | leftyfb, I mean for when it will appear here https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts | 20:54 |
| Bardon | I was hopping to get a nice list like in your screenshot | 20:55 |
| tomreyn | Bardon: if you click on Manage on the left pane you can both search installed applications and scroll down on the list | 20:55 |
| tomreyn | Bardon: just to correct this, the screenshot was leftyfb's | 20:55 |
| tomreyn | *credit | 20:56 |
| tomreyn | Bardon: indeed this list of installed applications is very short, though, and it seems to be all snaps. | 20:56 |
| tomreyn | so another bug, i guess | 20:56 |
| Bardon | tomreyn: Ah right sorry | 20:57 |
| tomreyn | Bardon: so you have a longer list including apt / dpkg managed software there? | 20:58 |
| tomreyn | i'm just testing on a live system at https://distrosea.com/, which will behave differently than a proper installation | 20:59 |
| PeGaSuS | sorry. got caught with real life. bringing back my issue: my machine was working perfectly before the reboot. after the reboot, I got this: https://filehost.0bin.xyz/ny4OeAfVUiSs.jpg | 21:00 |
| PeGaSuS | I'm currently on a live usb. how should I proceed? | 21:00 |
| tomreyn | PeGaSuS: i previously suggested approaches on how to proceed. chat logs are available online | 21:01 |
| tomreyn | !logs | 21:01 |
| ubottu | Official channel logs can be found at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too. Meetingology logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ | 21:01 |
| tomreyn | if you need more detail on these approaches, please ask | 21:02 |
| PeGaSuS | I did `fdisk -l` to find the disk and then `fsck /dev/sda2` (where I have the system installed). output of both: https://0bin.xyz/DNDXZPKUHVLQCVAT6HRIMEIGDE | 21:06 |
| tomreyn | generally, you should not run fsck on a mounted file system, unless it explicitly supports doing so. even then, it's preferrable to run it while the file system is not mounted. | 21:09 |
| tomreyn | (this output seem to suggest that the file system wasnot mounted at the time you run fsck, though) | 21:09 |
| PeGaSuS | it's not mounted, though | 21:10 |
| tomreyn | run fsck with -f if you want to force the check | 21:10 |
| tomreyn | note, however, that doing a file system repair on a file system stored on physically broken media is likely to make things worse | 21:11 |
| tomreyn | so i'd recommend checking the disks' health first of all | 21:12 |
| PeGaSuS | the `fsck -f /dev/sda2` returned: https://0bin.xyz/MCAHKIY7K7MS2CYQ4QBHEHOXSE | 21:12 |
| tomreyn | so this file system appears to be sonsistent. | 21:13 |
| tomreyn | *consistent | 21:13 |
| PeGaSuS | output of `smartctl -x /dev/sda2` is: https://0bin.xyz/ED46VYJA2PNUCEN5V2MT5DWRVM | 21:13 |
| tomreyn | it is unusual for ext4 file systems to have an 8 character UUID, though | 21:14 |
| tomreyn | your first screenshot showed that the file system which failed to mount had an 8-character UUID | 21:14 |
| tomreyn | so i'm guessing that you're working on the wrong file system | 21:15 |
| PeGaSuS | I know that the disk is the /dev/sda (the only one with 512Gb, other is 250Gb). | 21:17 |
| tomreyn | the smartctl log for disk sda (sda2 would be a partion) does *not* indicate a physical defective storage media | 21:17 |
| tomreyn | however, this storage media product is not in the software's (smartmon-tools') database, so it's ability to determine this is limited | 21:19 |
| tomreyn | ID 5 - Reallocated_Sector_Ct = 0 suggests it is likely fine, though | 21:20 |
| PeGaSuS | right. unfortunately I can't boot into the system. I have two SSD: one with Ubuntu (512Gb) and one with Windows (250Gb). Windows boots and works fine. | 21:21 |
| tomreyn | the "blkid" command should list IDs of known file systems | 21:21 |
| tomreyn | *UUIDs | 21:21 |
| PeGaSuS | output of ``blkid``: https://0bin.xyz/TQ7MWVOAHNG77BXISKLYD6BQYI | 21:22 |
| tomreyn | does it list BAF1-00F2 ? | 21:22 |
| PeGaSuS | yes, it is there (the 1st one) | 21:22 |
| tomreyn | did you run the tests against this file system? | 21:23 |
| tomreyn | your latest pastebin post suggests that UUID BAF1-00F2 is stored on partition sda1 | 21:24 |
| PeGaSuS | via `fsck -f /dev/sda1`? | 21:24 |
| tomreyn | with sudo, yes | 21:24 |
| PeGaSuS | I got: /dev/sda1: 24 files, 13593/130811 clusters | 21:25 |
| tomreyn | this is your EFI System Partition, a vfat (DOS-like FAT32-like) file system (without journalling) | 21:25 |
| tomreyn | so apparently this file system is fine, too. this suggests that there is a different error which occurred before what we can see on your boot screen | 21:26 |
| tomreyn | you'd need to mount your root file system and access the logs on it to learn what may have caused the boot to fail | 21:26 |
| PeGaSuS | can you provide me the commands please? | 21:26 |
| tomreyn | that's the file system mounted to / when you boot normally | 21:27 |
| tomreyn | based on https://0bin.xyz/DNDXZPKUHVLQCVAT6HRIMEIGDE i'm guessing that either /dev/sda2 (411.2 GiB) or /dev/sda3 (65.2 GiB) is your Ubuntu install's / (root) file system | 21:28 |
| tomreyn | do you happen to know or can you guess which one it is? | 21:29 |
| PeGaSuS | it's /dev/sda2. the sda3 one has Zorin installed in dual-boot (completely forgot about it, sorry) | 21:30 |
| tomreyn | is anything mounted to /mnt currently? | 21:31 |
| tomreyn | ls /mnt | 21:31 |
| PeGaSuS | no output, so I'd say no | 21:31 |
| tomreyn | if it's empty, mount sda2 to /mnt now: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt | 21:31 |
| tomreyn | no output = it's empty | 21:31 |
| PeGaSuS | sda2 mounted | 21:32 |
| tomreyn | then look at what is mounted in /mnt now | 21:32 |
| PeGaSuS | bin boot cdrom dev etc home lib lib32 lib64 libx32 lost+found media mnt opt proc root run sbin snap srv swapfile sys tmp usr var | 21:32 |
| tomreyn | if it's a linux distro's root file system, you should see subdirectories such as usr, etc, var | 21:32 |
| tomreyn | this looks fine | 21:33 |
| tomreyn | run sudo journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal | 21:34 |
| tomreyn | does this show a log? | 21:34 |
| tomreyn | PeGaSuS: if so, run sudo journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal --list-boots and identify the boot which gave you the on-screen error messages you posted initially | 21:35 |
| tomreyn | identify it by it's "IDX" column | 21:36 |
| PeGaSuS | yes. it has shown a log | 21:36 |
| tomreyn | it's likely to be 0 or -1 | 21:36 |
| PeGaSuS | -1, yes | 21:36 |
| tomreyn | then run sudo journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal -b -1 -p4 | 21:37 |
| tomreyn | this will show you any log messages captured during this boot what were at least warnings, or worse | 21:38 |
| PeGaSuS | here it is: https://termbin.com/lypn | 21:38 |
| tomreyn | -p4 means priority 4 (which is == warning) | 21:38 |
| tomreyn | "usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71" indicates issues accessing a usb device. it's unclear at this point whether this is a storage media device | 21:40 |
| tomreyn | i'm unfamiliar with "block sda: the capability attribute has been deprecated." - i'm guessing it points to some partition table flag which has been deprecated, and it should just bbe a warning | 21:41 |
| PeGaSuS | I have: USB controller, USB desk lamp and a port extender(?). I can unplug them and see, though | 21:42 |
| tomreyn | some incorrectly configured file system permissions are pointed out, and should be fixed, but this is likely not the cause of the system failing to boot | 21:42 |
| PeGaSuS | oh, and a smartwatch that's charging | 21:42 |
| tomreyn | trying to boot without unneccessary usb devices attached may help the system to boot | 21:43 |
| PeGaSuS | the weird thing is that I've been booting like this for ages, though. I'll remove all the extra USB devices and try to boot. I'll be bback with feedback in a few | 21:44 |
| tomreyn | can you cat /mnt/etc/fstab fist? | 21:45 |
| tomreyn | *first | 21:46 |
| PeGaSuS | oops. sorry, already rebooted. and it booted perfectly. removed the USB controller and the USB desk lamp | 21:49 |
| tomreyn | enter your bios/uefi setup utility and change the boot order to not boot to usb devices before you boot from internal disks, in case that's currently configured. | 21:50 |
| tomreyn | alternatively, don't connect mass storage usb devices ("usb disks"/ usb connected storage media) when booting ubuntu | 21:51 |
| tomreyn | repartitioning or reformatting those usb devices may also solve the issue. | 21:52 |
| PeGaSuS | right. I'll take a look at the boot order. that's probably messed up | 21:53 |
| PeGaSuS | thanks for the patience and help! really appreciated | 21:54 |
| tomreyn | you're welcome | 21:55 |
| PeGaSuS | btw, I'm getting a new SSD (I've ordered it a few days ago). it is 1Tb. can I just clone the one I have to the 1Tb directly? knowing that the current one is half of the size of the new one? | 22:05 |
| tomreyn | PeGaSuS: it *should* work, if you'll remove the other disk before booting, and the new disk is connected to the same bus. otherwise, you may need to adjust efi variables | 22:20 |
| PeGaSuS | I guess that it'll mess up the secure boot? | 22:23 |
| tomreyn | possibly, i have too little experience to tell | 22:24 |
| PeGaSuS | I'll definitely share feedback on that. the disk is supposed to arrive tomorrow but I'm still waiting for my friend to bring me the SATA-to-USB thingy | 22:25 |
| tomreyn | PeGaSuS: you could use clonezilla to do the clone: https://clonezilla.org/fine-print-live-doc.php?path=clonezilla-live/doc/03_Disk_to_disk_clone | 22:35 |
| tomreyn | i do not know for sure whether they have tested this process with uefi booting systems, though i assume they have. | 22:36 |
| PeGaSuS | aye. I'll bookmark that and take a read. thanks for the link! | 22:36 |
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