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maxo	BluesKaj: that's interesting, maybe I'll try removing them and see if it speeds things up for me	00:00
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DerDui	mal ne andere frage, wie kann ich ein vorhandenes ntfslaufwek wieder mounten?	00:02
BluesKaj	<--- 64bit amd	00:02
DerDui	sorry, wrong language^^	00:03
ardchoille	!ntfs	00:03
ubotu	To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE	00:03
DerDui	how to mount a windows partition, that i dont see in my folders	00:04
ardchoille	DerDui: ^^	00:04
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Arvid	I'm trying to install RC2, but I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/812744	00:11
Arvid	what do I do now?	00:11
LjL	!brokenkde4 \| Arvid	00:11
ubotu	Arvid: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.	00:11
BluesKaj	DerDui, check system menu /storage media	00:11
Arvid	LjL: will do	00:12
Arvid	LjL: hmm - it didn't quite do the trick: http://pastebin.ca/812749	00:14
deuryt1	xcell	00:15
stdin	Arvid: just add those packages to the end of the command	00:15
stdin	Arvid: kdebase-runtime-bin, kdebase-workspace-bin and libplasma1	00:15
LjL	stdin: uhm, know why precisely the RC2 repository feels like giving me new versions of my KDE 3.5.8 stuff?	00:16
Arvid	stdin: now it's doing something :)	00:16
stdin	LjL: because it is :)	00:16
LjL	i'm not sure i'm quite entirely comfortable with that	00:17
hydrogen	its necessary so that you can install kde4	00:17
stdin	LjL: kdebase was packaged slightly differently to allow it to better co-exist with kde4, that's all	00:17
Daisuke_Ido	still got it dropping back to kdm without starting the DE	00:17
LjL	stdin: ok, but what if new packages appear in gutsy-security or gutsy-updates?	00:17
stdin	LjL: the kdebase package will eventually be in gutsy-backports afaik	00:18
stdin	Daisuke_Ido: edited the startkde script?	00:19
LjL	i'm still not convinced... but bah, i'll do it anyway	00:19
Daisuke_Ido	stdin: the page doesn't say a thing about editing startkde	00:20
stdin	LjL: it's not like it's my custom package, it's just backported from hardy	00:20
stdin	Daisuke_Ido: yep, it's a little bug no one saw (fix is uploaded, just waiting on it to be built)	00:20
stdin	just edit /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and change line 3 from "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH" to "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH"	00:20
Daisuke_Ido	hah	00:20
stdin	make treats variables oddly	00:20
LjL	stdin: which is not quite stable as far as i'm aware... i'd rather aim at a stable system with an unstable KDE4 to play with when i feel like - a generally unstable system is not my goal :)	00:21
Daisuke_Ido	that explains everything (especially why it couldn't find cd or sed)	00:21
nosrednaekim	stdin: this looks likes its fun... they should do this to all developers who have bugs in their programs ...lol	00:21
afrol	/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde has a typo in it for the kde4rc2 repo, is this known? (line 3, :ATH -> :$PATH)	00:21
Daisuke_Ido	afrol: it was just mentioned like... 10 seconds ago	00:21
stdin	LjL: the only thing that changed from gutsy to hardy kdebase is the packaging, same version of kde	00:22
afrol	Daisuke_Ido: doy, sorry!	00:22
LjL	stdin: yeah what with little bugs such as the one above (although the one above is about KDE4, ok) :)	00:22
Daisuke_Ido	afrol: no worries, at least you caught it, i was completely oblivious!	00:23
Daisuke_Ido	brb	00:23
Minataku	That's a pretty serious bug	00:23
hydrogen	its for the kde4 packages..	00:24
hydrogen	its not like its going to make someones system explode	00:24
Minataku	It's a blocker-class defect	00:24
Minataku	The fact that it wasn't caught means someone needs to be reprimanded	00:24
Minataku	A simple check consisiting of installing the package and testing it should have caught it	00:24
Ganondork	Where does konversation store script files?	00:25
Daisuke_Ido	intriguing	00:25
Ganondork	Daisuke: Where does konversation store script files?	00:25
* stdin reprimands Minataku for wanting to reprimand someone		00:26
Daisuke_Ido	erm	00:26
Daisuke_Ido	iunno	00:26
Ganondork	I forgot	00:26
hydrogen	$KDEROOT/share/apps/konversation/scripts	00:26
Ganondork	grrr	00:26
Ganondork	thanks	00:26
LjL	stdin, ignore.	00:26
Daisuke_Ido	that is a very large clock	00:26
Ganondork	hydrogen: what is the default file extension for a konversation script?	00:28
hydrogen	there isn't one	00:28
hydrogen	it could be any language	00:28
stdin	Ganondork: as long as the file is executable	00:29
Ganondork	hmmm	00:29
mschiff	hey i just tried to install rc2 packahes on gutsy.... but they want to overwrite kde3 files... :-/	00:29
Ganondork	I'm trying to write a script that displays random riddles, and I don't know what to save it as	00:29
stdin	sigh	00:29
stdin	!brokenkde4 \| mschiff	00:29
ubotu	mschiff: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.	00:29
Titanous	I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png	00:30
Titanous	What should I do?	00:30
mschiff	stdin: I will try... I followed the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php, which seem to lack some information then...	00:31
Ganondork	fixed it	00:31
stdin	mschiff: yes, I've let the editor know	00:31
Daisuke_Ido	well, kde4 seems to work remarkably well	00:32
hydrogen	heh	00:32
hydrogen	how low standards have fallen	00:32
Daisuke_Ido	...the taskbar is ugly as sin and i can't shrink the ginormous digital clock, but it works	00:32
hydrogen	:)	00:32
hydrogen	I'd say its passable	00:32
Daisuke_Ido	all in all, i'd rather go gnome	00:33
hydrogen	its still got a long ways to go before it can compete with kde3	00:33
hydrogen	although the new kwin is very nice	00:33
Daisuke_Ido	that is nice, built in compositing	00:33
stdin	hydrogen: wait until kde 4.5.8, that'll rock :p	00:33
jhutchins	Daisuke_Ido: I had to try to use a CentOS Gnome desktop the other day. <shudder>. Horrible.	00:33
hydrogen	stdin: thats a bad way to look at it thoguh.. new releases are supposed to add things, not take them away	00:34
Daisuke_Ido	jhutchins: at least i can edit the size of the panel in gnome :\	00:34
stdin	hydrogen: I was saying in a slightly, sarcastic way, that: yeah, you can't really compare kde4 to kde 3.x	00:35
hydrogen	stdin: most people who say that say it defensivly,, in an attempt to justify it	00:36
hydrogen	which is why I responded as I did	00:36
Daisuke_Ido	so far i'm seeing less customization than 3.x	00:36
Daisuke_Ido	...less customization than gnome...	00:36
stdin	hydrogen: I know the feeling there.. :)	00:36
Daisuke_Ido	... not for me, not yet	00:36
Chousuke	Daisuke_Ido: Who cares about the amount of customisation you can do.	00:37
Chousuke	I'd worry about being able to customise the things I want to customise.	00:37
LjL	if there's overall fewer things that can be customized, it's likely that there will be fewer things that can be customized which you want to customize	00:38
hydrogen	yes	00:38
Chousuke	Well, yeah	00:38
hydrogen	very little is customizable at this point	00:38
Chousuke	but making everything customisable isn't good either :/	00:38
hydrogen	and the panel is an iSore	00:38
hydrogen	but its usable	00:38
Arvid	So - I got KDE4 installed from the PPA now, but when i try to log in I just get thrown out (back to kdm) again	00:39
Daisuke_Ido	Arvid: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde - line 3, change ATH to $PATH	00:39
Chousuke	My number one complaint with KDE3 always was that it was too damn complicated.	00:39
Ganondork	hmmm	00:39
stdin	Arvid: you have a choice here, you can wait about an hour and get the update, or fix it manually	00:40
Arvid	stdin: If it's as simple as Daisuke_Ido says I'll fix it myself	00:40
Ganondork	...	00:40
LjL	Chousuke: i can agree with that to an extent, however there's also pretty obscure features in KDE which are a big part of the reason i use it in the first place. such as having optional top-of-screen menubars.	00:40
Chousuke	there were so many options presented that finding the one I wanted was a chore :/	00:40
LjL	take away all those little niceties from me, and i'd probably go with GNOME	00:40
Daisuke_Ido	LjL: if i wanted a menubar at the top of the screen, i'd get a mac :P	00:41
LjL	Daisuke_Ido: that's nonsense.	00:41
Daisuke_Ido	actually, i've played with kde's, and it isn't too bad	00:41
LjL	there are a thousand other reasons why i'd not be getting a Mac.	00:41
Chousuke	I have a mac :P	00:41
Daisuke_Ido	my only complaint is lack of integration	00:41
LjL	and a top-of-the-screen menu bar isn't something specific to Macs, either.	00:41
Daisuke_Ido	firefox, for instance	00:41
Ganondork	grrrr	00:41
Ganondork	stdin: could you help me out with my script?	00:42
Daisuke_Ido	LjL: but it is the most famous "everyone's seen one" example	00:42
Chousuke	and just for the record, I have done quite a lot of customisation on it. :P	00:42
LjL	Daisuke_Ido, when i use KDE, i use KDE, and if i can avoid using non-KDE applications, i do, so that's not a huge issue for me	00:42
Daisuke_Ido	LjL: fair enough	00:42
stdin	Ganondork: I could, but there is #konversation too :)	00:42
Ganondork	ah	00:42
* hydrogen avoids firefox the the plague		00:42
hydrogen	err	00:42
hydrogen	like the	00:42
Daisuke_Ido	i'm not a big fan of konqueror to begin with, and what toher choices are there?	00:42
deuryt1	xcell	00:43
Arvid	Daisuke_Ido: I guess you mean ATH -> $PATH and not just ATH -> PATH	00:43
Daisuke_Ido	that's what i said, isn't it?	00:43
Daisuke_Ido	yeah	00:43
XceII	ya	00:43
deuryt1	what happened in there?	00:43
Daisuke_Ido	make sure the $ is there :)	00:43
Arvid	Daisuke_Ido: sorry :/ My bad	00:43
LjL	Daisuke_Ido: it probably is, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to use such scheme on other systems, as you seemed to imply. i've been used to a top-of-screen menubar since forever, although i've never owned a mac. it's a feature that's been available in KDE for a long time. it hardly hurts anybody	00:43
NickPresta	is having 'kdebase-bin-kde3' removed when trying to install the KDE4 packages normal?	00:43
XceII	dont know was not there	00:43
Arvid	Daisuke_Ido: must have misread it	00:43
deuryt1	offtopic? you just left	00:44
stdin	NickPresta: yep, it'll install kdebase-bin-kde4 to replace it (that's fine)	00:44
NickPresta	stdin, thanks.	00:44
deuryt1	you didn't stick around for th ko	00:44
Daisuke_Ido	LjL: nonono, i was mostly joking with the mac commend - notice the comment saying that i've used the menubar, and aside from minor integration issues, i really like it :)	00:44
deuryt1	the ko	00:44
XceII	U r too aggressive to the ill understanding..they dont even have milk and you shove meat down their throat	00:44
Chousuke	top-of-screen menubar is nice if you have two monitors	00:44
Ganondork	stdin: I have something else I need help with	00:44
Chousuke	it saves some space from the second :)	00:44
deuryt1	too big of gloves ??	00:45
XceII	ya	00:45
LjL	uhm uhm uhm there's something else i'm missing.	00:45
deuryt1	well. I think like a tazer.......	00:45
Ganondork	stdin: [0.0000000] ACPI DMI BIOS year==0 something something assuming ACPI capable machine	00:45
LjL	isn't installing kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime supposed to bring you, say, dolphin-kde4?	00:45
XceII	time to be gentle ..	00:45
LjL	if not, how exactly am i suppose to obtain a standard kde4 environment?	00:45
XceII	wait 20 mins and re-enter..and be cool	00:46
Ganondork	stdin: it says that when grub finishes loading and the screen says starting up. it freezes there and doesnt continue	00:46
nosrednaekim	LjL: yeah... I think dolphin is in workspace.	00:46
mot	hey, anybody herek now any utilities that will give me extended info on my RAM modules?	00:46
stdin	Ganondork: I'd assume that means that yo have a buggy BIOS, try booting with "noacpi"	00:46
mot	i'm shopping around for more RAM but don't remembre the clock speeds offhand...	00:46
LjL	nosrednaekim, well, i've installed those, but "Need to get 19.1MB of archives." sounded a bit suspicious... and dolphin-kde4 for instance is not installed	00:46
deuryt1	px brb	00:47
nosrednaekim	LjL: hmm maybe the packages are different this time.	00:47
XceII	k	00:47
r0y4l	hi! does anyone know if it is possible to change the view of the file list in kate? i want to change it to a "tree like" view.	00:47
Ganondork	stdin: you mean press escape during grub's loading, and add in a new line?	00:47
r0y4l	atm it's only possible to change into ONE directory at once...	00:47
stdin	Ganondork: add it to the end of the kernel line	00:47
Ganondork	alright	00:47
Ganondork	I'll try that later	00:48
Ganondork	thanks	00:48
LjL	nosrednaekim: oh wait, kdebase-bin-kde3 has been removed for me as for NickPresta... stdin said that's normal, but i doubt that « dpkg: kdebase-bin-kde3: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: kdebase-bin depends on kdebase-bin-kde3 \| kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4; however: Package kdebase-bin-kde3 is to be removed. Package kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is not installed. » is also normal?!	00:48
Ganondork	stdin: I also tried booting into recovery mode, and when it froze, it said something like -n clocksource	00:48
nosrednaekim	LjL: whoah...	00:49
XceII	ya	00:49
NickPresta	LjL, using aptitude, I didn't get any dep. problems. shrugs	00:49
Titanous	I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png	00:49
Titanous	What should I do?	00:49
stdin	LjL: that's normal because kdebase-bin-kde4 isn't installed yet, it'll be installed after kdebase-bin-kde3 is removed	00:49
NickPresta	LjL, actually, I did. I missed the output. :)	00:49
Ganondork	stdin: do you know if there is a fix for NeoMagic video cards? My screen often gets little lines all over it in GNOME. In KDE, there are vertical lines all over the menus	00:51
Alonea	is kde4 is the repos now or do I have to still compile it myself? Do I need to uninstall the compiled version and put on a different one now?	00:51
hydrogen	read the topic..	00:51
supert0ne1	anyone got a link to screenshots of rc2?	00:52
hydrogen	it looks the same as rc1	00:53
NickPresta	well, I'm successfully running KDE4 RC2 via Xerphyr xterm method. Looks neat	00:53
hydrogen	just a few more things might work.	00:53
LjL	perhaps dolphin-kde4 (and the lot of other stuff, using dolphin just as an example) is installed as a recommend, and for some reason my apt-get doesn't install recommends...? :\|	00:53
Alonea	hydrogen: so sorry. completely didn't see it. ^^;;;	00:53
LjL	supert0ne1: google "kde 4 rc 2", first link	00:53
* hydrogen has been using kde4 as his only desktop for a few days now		00:53
stdin	LjL: kdebase-kde4 depends in dolphin-kde4 (in fact it's the 1st dependency)	00:53
stdin	Ganondork: can't say I do, sorry	00:54
Ganondork	stdin: I typed something into a konsole last time and that fixed it. Someone here told me what to do because they had the same problem with another old Sony Vaio	00:55
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stdin	LjL: hmm, guess what :) nither kdebase-workspace or kdebase-runtime depend on kdebase-kde4	00:56
LjL	stdin: indeed	00:56
LjL	it wasn't quite installed	00:56
stdin	right, let me try knocking up a wiki page to use for now as a link in the topic	00:56
Dragnslcr	RC2 not going as smoothly as you hoped?	00:58
stdin	I never expect it go go smoothly, but it's going better than RC1 :)	00:58
Dragnslcr	Heh	00:58
Dragnslcr	By the way, something I noticed earlier. Can't remember how Freenode handles it, but the channel isn't +t	01:00
adamonline45	I'm a kopete lamer...	01:00
Dragnslcr	I think that's a Bad Thing (tm)	01:00
adamonline45	How do I direct connect through the AIM protocol?	01:00
thagor	daew galera so novato aki..	01:01
Dragnslcr	adamonline45- not sure if it's implemented yet. You can try asking in #kopete	01:01
thagor	mais alguem poderia me explicar como instalr o Amsn	01:01
stdin	Dragnslcr: some people seem to want to remove +t to edit the topic (go figure)	01:01
stdin	Dragnslcr: and by "some people" I mean other ops	01:02
LjL	stdin: well on rc1 it did install stuff, though... :)	01:02
LjL	!br \| thagor	01:02
ubotu	thagor: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.	01:02
Dragnslcr	stdin- heh, I noticed that. I thought "wait a sec, I thought +t only prevented non-ops from changing the topic"	01:02
stdin	LjL: it also had a load of overwrite errors :)	01:02
LjL	stdin: yeah well so does this one	01:02
stdin	LjL: not after a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", and one package isn't "a load"	01:03
DaveyJ	alright i'm trying to download RC2 of kde4, and i'm having a bit of trouble	01:04
Minataku	You'll have even more trouble installing it	01:04
DaveyJ	lol	01:04
Minataku	And you don't want to KNOW the trouble you'll have _USING_ it	01:04
DaveyJ	you know what i mean	01:04
Minataku	lol	01:04
DaveyJ	Unpacking replacement ktip ...Errors were encountered while processing:	01:04
DaveyJ	/var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb	01:04
stdin	!brokenkde4	01:05
ubotu	If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.	01:05
NickPresta	What is a good example of something "KDE4" that I can show off?	01:06
DaveyJ	i would have never figured that out on my own	01:06
DaveyJ	thank you	01:06
Titanous	I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png	01:09
Titanous	What should I do?	01:09
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MilitantPotato	KDE4 was released?	01:09
MilitantPotato	.	01:10
NickPresta	MilitantPotato, points at topic	01:10
NickPresta	:)	01:10
illusionize	how would I go about mounting the toshiba gigabeat s series in kubuntu for use with vmware? I can see the device under sudo lsusb but that's it	01:10
moofoo	hello, i tried to install kde4-rc2 but i get dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin	01:10
MilitantPotato	ah RC stage still, cool.	01:10
DaveyJ	i keep getting the same error even when i try to enter in the command that the bot gave me	01:11
kyled185	!brokenkde4 moofoo	01:11
kyled185	!brokenkde4 \| moofoo	01:11
ubotu	moofoo: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.	01:11
moofoo	thanks	01:12
DaveyJ	thats what just happened to me moofoo	01:12
moofoo	maybe this should be put on the kubuntu.org site..	01:12
stdin	there are new temporary instructions in the topic already	01:13
moofoo	(i removed the two packages but not all)	01:13
DaveyJ	"Install all available updates (important to do this before continuing) "	01:15
illusionize	can any of this information be used in mounting my mp3 or is it all usless?	01:15
DaveyJ	i made a booboo	01:15
illusionize	Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0930:0010 Toshiba Corp.	01:15
DaveyJ	is there a way to clear out whats trying to be installed?	01:15
DaveyJ	that way i can do other apt-get commands w/o having it automatically try and install something that failed	01:16
savetheWorld	hi, just encountered a small problem with networking on LTS 6.06 Kubuntu i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and got some errors about some postconf file not being there (sadly did not save the error) Then i tried the system setting tools from the menus and when I opened the network services choice it gave me an erro about not being able to parse the XML in the config files? Anyone seen this before? Anyone know a workaround?	01:16
stdin	DaveyJ: that's what the !brokenkde4 factoid is for	01:16
moofoo	i used aptitude as apt-get had troubles	01:16
stdin	try "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime libplasma1"	01:16
moofoo	s/apt-get/aptitude/ :)	01:16
stdin	apt-get works fine, and unless you installed with aptitude, then it makes no difference	01:17
DaveyJ	stdin: but when i go to do that.. it still gives me the same error	01:17
stdin	DaveyJ: pastebin them so I can see :)	01:17
moofoo	i installed everything aptitude and apt-get bailed out with the command.. anyway .. thanks for the hint ;)	01:18
DaveyJ	stdin: http://pastebin.org/11221	01:18
marx2k	I am trying to add this stream to amarok: http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=5114&file=filename.pls --- but when I add it, it doesnt show up on the playlist, nor does it play	01:18
marx2k	and this happens with any stream I try to play in Amarok	01:19
Arvid	stdin: is there a devel package for kde4? which contains files like cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake	01:19
stdin	DaveyJ: you put kdebase-runtime twice, instead of "kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin"	01:19
NickPresta	marx2k, I just added it to my playlist. It plays fine (DJ Threat - The Unreaveling (156 heads tuned))	01:20
Titanous	I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png how do I fix it?	01:20
XceII	marx2k: That looks like a text file	01:20
DaveyJ	oh dear	01:20
marx2k	NickPresta: yep.. which is why Im asking in here :)	01:20
marx2k	Xcell: Nope, its a media stream	01:20
DaveyJ	but i copy and pasted!	01:20
XceII	wow	01:20
NickPresta	marx2k, well, I assume it works for others. Can you get the stream to play in another media player?	01:20
XceII	I couldnt load it either	01:20
marx2k	NickPresta: yep.	01:21
XceII	is it private?	01:21
marx2k	Xcell: No, its a shoutcast stream	01:21
XceII	oi	01:21
DaveyJ	<stdin> try "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime libplasma1"	01:21
DaveyJ	see?	01:21
NickPresta	marx2k, when you load the playlist in Amarok, you should see several "songs" (links to choose from). Have you tried all of them?	01:21
DaveyJ	now its working :)	01:21
marx2k	NickPresta: thats the thing... nothing shows up in the playlist	01:21
marx2k	Amarok seems to be having net connectivity issues... but only Amarok.. no other player	01:22
stdin	Arvid: there are tons of -dev packages, "kdebase-dev-kde4, kdelibs5-dev, kdepimlibs5-dev, libkonq5-dev, libplasma-dev" should get just about all of it	01:22
XceII	marx2k: It cant..it seems invalad.	01:22
NickPresta	marx2k, hmm, strange. shrugs. Perhaps you should ask in #amarok. See if other amarok users can get it to load. They might be able to diagnose your problem.	01:22
marx2k	Ill ask in #amarok :)	01:22
Arvid	stdin: okey - thanks	01:22
stdin	DaveyJ: ok then :p "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin libplasma1"	01:22
moofoo	illusionize: try to activate MSC transfer mode on the device if possible.. it's probably using MTP..	01:23
DaveyJ	lol its working now :) thanks	01:23
XceII	marx2k: report back with fix..thanks	01:23
stdin	!no brokenkde4 is <reply> If you're trying to install KDE4 RC2 but getting errors about files being overwritten, first remove all the KDE4 packages using the !Terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin libplasma1 » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	01:24
DaveyJ	yay time to go play :)	01:24
XceII	Play with what?	01:25
XceII	oi	01:25
NickPresta	XceII, KDE4	01:25
XceII	ah..I cant	01:25
XceII	he'll be back..lol.	01:26
XceII	Cant wait for hardy..should rock the house.	01:27
XceII	marx2k left without report..hmn.	01:28
savetheWorld	hi, just encountered a small problem with networking on LTS 6.06 Kubuntu i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and got some errors about some postconf file not being there (sadly did not save the error) Then i tried the system setting tools from the menus and when I opened the network services choice it gave me an erro about not being able to parse the XML in the config files? Anyone seen this before? Anyone know a workaround?	01:29
savetheWorld	Alternatively - anyone know how i can re-initialize the xml config files for networking?	01:30
savetheWorld	strangely eth0 and lo are up, I can ping stuff on the LAN, but DNS isn't owrking	01:30
savetheWorld	*working	01:30
* lavacano201014 Smells Like Teen Spirit - Never Mind - Nirvana (x«amarok)		01:32
XceII	global intrusive trash.	01:32
BluesKaj	lavacano201014, who cares..	01:32
ardchoille	lavacano201014: Can you please turn that global music post off?	01:33
BluesKaj	over rated band anyway :)	01:33
dmcglone	Hey X	01:33
XceII	ya	01:33
XceII	hey	01:33
XceII	good 2 c ya dude	01:33
dmcglone	get the modem fixed?	01:33
XceII	works well	01:33
dmcglone	likewise	01:33
* lavacano201014 Yesterdays - Greatest Hits - Guns N' Roses (x«amarok)		01:34
XceII	cya	01:34
dmcglone	cool	01:34
XceII	lol	01:34
BluesKaj	uhmm, shall we summon the authorities ?	01:34
dmcglone	what are you talking about Blueskaj?	01:34
BluesKaj	not that it's real busy in here	01:35
XceII	dmcglone: cya in off topic in 10,,,,k?	01:35
XceII	k	01:35
dmcglone	k	01:35
dmcglone	#kubuntu-offtopic	01:35
XceII	ya	01:35
XceII	things 2 do..in 10	01:35
marx2k	ok...apparently rebooting solved the Amarok connectivity issue...	01:36
jembouge	hi there	01:43
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nosrednaekimhi	hi jembouge	01:44
jembouge	for some reason I removed kdmtheme and reinstalled it again	01:44
jembouge	hi nosrednaekimhi	01:44
jembouge	the thing is, the logging screen doesn't use any theme anymore... :'(	01:44
jembouge	anyone knows how to fix this?	01:44
jeramy	Anybody else out there unsuccessfully install KDE 4-RC2?	01:45
nosrednaekimhi	jeramy: tons of people..	01:45
jeramy	Hm.	01:46
nosrednaekimhi	!brokenkde4	01:46
ubotu	If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.	01:46
jeramy	ok. Thanks.	01:46
jeramy	Funny thing is that it looks like a KDE 3 package.	01:47
jeramy	k3b and a few other programs depend on it	01:47
nosrednaekimhi	jeramy: yeah.... kdelibs5	01:47
nosrednaekimhi	its being replaced with a more kde4 compatible version	01:47
jeramy	Oh, I already removed that one.	01:48
BluesKaj	notice term "unsuccessfully'...not worth the trouble til it's ready fpr prime time , from the reports I've read	01:48
thegattaca	hi, #ubuntu has no answer ... how does one make flash player work on gutsy 64bit?	01:48
nosrednaekimhi	erm... wait..not that one... the kde3 libs...	01:48
nosrednaekimhi	!flash64 \| thegattaca	01:48
ubotu	thegattaca: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava	01:48
thegattaca	thanks :D	01:48
jeramy	I get "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin"	01:49
hydrogen	!fixkde4	01:49
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about fixkde4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	01:49
hydrogen	!brokenkde4	01:50
ubotu	If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| egrep '(KDE 4\|KDE PIM 4\|-kde4)' \|cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.	01:50
* nosrednaekimhi goes to the scrollback for stdins instructions		01:50
hydrogen	I knew it was one of the two :P	01:50
nosrednaekimhi	oh... they updated it! yay!	01:50
stdin	hydrogen: if you'd have waited a few seconds you'll have seen the new streamlined command :)	01:51
tekteen	hi guys	01:51
nosrednaekimhi	hi tekteen	01:51
stdin	!brokenkde4	01:51
ubotu	If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	01:51
jeramy	Here's what I get when I run that: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47902/	01:52
stdin	jeramy: try the "new" command	01:52
stdin	sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}'	01:52
stdin	opps	01:52
stdin	sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}')	01:53
jeramy	Sweet. That worked. :)	01:53
Voyage__	> what are sys requirments for ubuntu?	01:53
nosrednaekimhi	Voyage__: I'd say about 800mhz and 256 of ram for Kubuntu	01:54
tektee1	hi	01:55
jtt	k3b on gutsy fails to copy a cd looked on google no info anyone have any info about this have latest k3b version	01:55
jeramy	Hi tekteel	01:55
tektee1	?	01:56
tektee1	my name is tekteen	01:56
tektee1	I am going to try logging in again	01:56
tektee1	:-)	01:56
lavacano201014	it got nuked	01:56
BluesKaj	jtt , install libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repository	01:56
stdin	lavacano201014: don't enable talking scripts in these channels	01:56
BluesKaj	!medibuntu \| jtt	01:57
ubotu	jtt: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org	01:57
lavacano201014	stdin: i wasnt tring	01:57
lavacano201014	trying*	01:57
jeramy	Funny... both tekteen and tekteel came up when I hit tab. :)	01:57
lavacano201014	just on one of my EFNet chans i was	01:57
stdin	well your amarok script was on and spamming several channels	01:57
lavacano201014	on	01:57
jtt	BluesKaj, thanks will look it over	01:57
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lavacano201014	stdin: i am an xchat n00b	01:58
tektee1	anyone know why if I tell pidgin my name is tekteen I am logged in as tektee1	01:58
jeramy	Nope. :)	01:58
lavacano201014	tektee1: tekteen is already in here	01:58
stdin	lavacano201014: if you want to be able to join #ubuntu-offtopic again then you should head into #ubuntu-ops and ask forgiveness ;)	01:58
BluesKaj	use konversation	01:58
tektee1	lavacano201014: Interesting	01:59
lavacano201014	stdin: i wasnt aware i was banned from #u-o again	01:59
lavacano201014	thanks for the heads up	01:59
jeramy	again? D-oh!	01:59
LjL	stdin, any reason you don't say to install kdebase-kde4 in the wiki?	01:59
stdin	LjL: because it's 2am and I forgot :p I'll add it	02:00
LjL	stdin: heh... is that the only thing that should need to be installed anyway aside from the standard two?	02:00
nestor	holA lavacano201014	02:01
stdin	LjL: no, kdebase was separated into 3 separate packages (by kde not us), and they don't actually depend on each other	02:01
LjL	stdin: like, uhm, i think rc1 installed stuff like okular as well? (or not?)	02:01
stdin	LjL: okular is a separate package, not part of the kde release	02:02
LjL	ok	02:03
jtt	BluesKaj, thanks for the info never copied a cd before only created ISO images good info momentarily forgot about the RIAA and their corhorts trying to restrict my Legal copying	02:05
stdin	LjL: nope, I'm wrong :p it was a separate package, now it's in kdegraphics	02:06
kyled185	so with KDE4 RC2 are we supposed to install kdebase-kde4	02:06
nosrednaekimhi	kyled185: yes	02:06
kyled185	alright thanks	02:06
kyled185	and the new packages automagically let one select a KDE4 session when logging in?	02:08
Ch1ppy	hey, I'm having trouble getting into a full kde4 session when logging in, can anyone help me out?	02:09
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nosrednaekimhi	Ch1ppy: what does it say?	02:10
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekimhi: I don't get the option to choose kde4 at all	02:10
nosrednaekimhi	Ch1ppy: you look in the sessions menu?	02:11
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekimhi: sure did	02:11
nosrednaekimhi	Ch1ppy: you may beed to restart kdm, not sure.	02:11
newuser	Hello all,, Is there a program I can use to view a file created in my camera..... It is a .mov file	02:11
nosrednaekimhi	*need	02:11
nosrednaekimhi	!w32codecs	02:11
ubotu	The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages	02:11
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekimhi: ah, okay. Will try that, thanks	02:11
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekimhi: should I be running kdm-kde4 or does it matter?	02:12
stdin	Ch1ppy: no, the normal kdm will work	02:12
nosrednaekimhi	Ch1ppy: no, shouldn't have to	02:12
Ch1ppy	stdin: thanks again :)	02:12
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekimhi: and you too :)	02:12
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newuser	Is there a program to view .mov files is gutsy??	02:13
nosrednaekim	haha.... didn't realize I changed my nick :D	02:13
nosrednaekim	!w32codecs \| newuser	02:13
ubotu	newuser: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages	02:13
newuser	ok... I am a "newuser" and I dont mean to burden anyone but I don't know what it means to see nosrednaekim's message !w32codecs and I dont know exaxtly what to look for in the last message either	02:15
newuser	using 7.10	02:15
nosrednaekim	newuser: you need to ead the link to that wiki.	02:16
nosrednaekim	*read	02:16
hoopoe	can you post the link about installing 64bit flash please??	02:17
Ch1ppy	hey, I've tried restarting kdm, but still no option to select kde4 as a session, anyone have any ideas?	02:17
newuser	sorry guys... I dont mean to be so ignorant but where is !w32codecs	02:17
newuser	do I search online?	02:17
Hobbsee	newuser: ! is a bot command	02:17
Hobbsee	so, ubotu replied to that command, as you'll see above	02:17
newuser	in terminal?	02:17
nosrednaekim	newuser: take a look at this page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages	02:18
Hobbsee	[13:13] <ubotu> newuser: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages	02:18
nosrednaekim	oops... actually wong thing :D	02:18
Hobbsee	newuser: ^ bot	02:18
Hobbsee	!ubotu	02:18
ubotu	I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots	02:18
nosrednaekim	!medibuntu	02:18
ubotu	medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org	02:18
jeramy	!w32codecs	02:18
ubotu	The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages	02:18
jeramy	Just had to try it. :)	02:18
tekteen	anyone know why the network interface would change everytime I reboot my computer (from eth1 to eth2 to eth3 ...) .	02:19
tekteen	It is a new computer so I am so far up to eth20	02:19
Ch1ppy	hey, can anyone help me getting into a kde4 session? the option isn't showing up as an option when I login	02:19
stdin	Ch1ppy: you choose it before you login	02:20
nosrednaekim	tekteen: yowy!	02:20
jeramy	Ch1ppy: I ended up adding something to /usr/share/ in RC1.	02:20
newuser	ok I did /msg ubotu medibuntu in a terminal window and nothing came up	02:20
Ch1ppy	stdin: sorry that bit was a little ambiguous, I know that, that's where there's no option	02:20
jeramy	Is it still necessary?	02:20
tekteen	nosrednaekim: I have 2 network problems	02:20
Ch1ppy	jeramy: I had that from RC1, and it didn't say for this one, but when I didn't get the option I tried doing that again, it's not showing up	02:21
stdin	Ch1ppy: do you have kdebase-workspace-data installed and kdebase-kde4 ?	02:21
tekteen	nosrednaekim: the other is that knetwork manager does not see my wireless card.	02:21
nosrednaekim	tekteen: but iwconfig does?	02:21
tekteen	nosrednaekim: ye	02:21
tekteen	yes*	02:21
tekteen	nosrednaekim: I just installed it with ndiswrapper	02:21
stdin	Ch1ppy: and kdebase-workspace-bin as well	02:22
jeramy	dohhh.. kdm-kde4 fails in the postinstall	02:22
Ch1ppy	jeramy: oh yes, I got that too :)	02:22
stdin	jeramy: why are you installing kdm-kde4 anyway?	02:22
jeramy	Why not?	02:22
stdin	you don't need kdm-kde4	02:22
Ch1ppy	stdin: apparently not, although I thought I did. Will try again now, thanks	02:23
jeramy	Oh. I wanted to test out what the fonts look like. I'm currently using gdm, and the fonts look tiny in kde4	02:23
stdin	Ch1ppy: see the new link in the topic for a slightly updated instructions	02:23
jeramy	Switching between the two login managers made a big difference way in the past, so I thought I'd try for the heck of it.	02:24
stdin	the kde3 version of kdm is much more stable	02:24
jeramy	I believe you. I just wanted to see it.	02:25
Ch1ppy	ah, isn't this a fun little adventure :) Now when I try to login to kde4 it throws me back to the login screen with no errors	02:25
jeramy	Any idea why the font is so tiny?	02:25
stdin	Ch1ppy: now update :)	02:25
Ch1ppy	stdin: update?	02:26
Ch1ppy	stdin: you mean upgrade?	02:26
jeramy	ie... dist-upgrade	02:26
stdin	sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	02:26
stdin	so both actually	02:26
Ch1ppy	stdin: rgr, running now, thanks	02:26
Ch1ppy	trying again :)	02:27
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Ch1ppy	hello again, and sorry for being such a pain.... I'm all upgraded, but I still get thrown back to the login screen with no error when I try to get into a kde4 session	02:30
stdin	what does "apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace" show (pastebin it)	02:30
Ch1ppy	stdin: ^_- it wasn't installed... that's messed up	02:31
stdin	Ch1ppy: have a look at the wiki page in the topic, install the packages it says :)	02:31
Ch1ppy	stdin: that's the thing, I did	02:32
Ch1ppy	stdin: so I'm a little confused. Trying again though, brb	02:32
Voyage__	> what are sys requirments for ubuntu?	02:34
NickPresta	Voyage__, CDs require 700MB media. Desktop install requires at least 256MB of RAM and 3GB of available hard drive space.	02:35
Ch1ppy	okay, I actually have all the packages now, am fully up to date, and I still get thrown back to the login screen when trying to start a kde4 session. Any ideas?	02:37
NickPresta	Ch1ppy, have you fixed the "broken" KDE4 problem?	02:37
stdin	what version of kdebase-workspace" do you have	02:37
Voyage__	NickPresta what processor should i have	02:37
Ch1ppy	NickPresta: "broken" KDE4?	02:38
Ch1ppy	stdin: 3.97.0	02:38
stdin	Ch1ppy: that's not the full version	02:38
Ch1ppy	stdin: ^_-	02:38
NickPresta	Voyage__, x86 architecture, Pentium, Celeron, Athlon, Sempron, 64bit AMD and Intel and Sun UltraSPARC based	02:39
Ch1ppy	stdin: I'm fully upgraded	02:39
Ch1ppy	stdin: or did you want the full version name?	02:39
stdin	Ch1ppy: the full, whole version-release	02:40
Ch1ppy	stdin: Installed: 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2ubuntu1	02:40
stdin	Ch1ppy: ok, look in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and post back line 3	02:40
Ch1ppy	stdin: export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH	02:41
stdin	good, that at least tells me that it's not the "bug" from before	02:41
rance	is there a way to "trick" the package database to let you install a non-64bit package on a 64bit box? Im specifically asking about opera and firefox packages so flash, etc will still work, am I on the wrong track? is there a better package related way do do this?	02:42
stdin	Ch1ppy: try starting a kde4 session in xephyr and see if it starts then	02:42
Ch1ppy	stdin: sure thing, one sec	02:42
stdin	!flash64 \| rance, yes this page tells you how	02:42
ubotu	rance, yes this page tells you how: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava	02:42
Ch1ppy	stdin: that works nicely	02:43
stdin	Ch1ppy: well it's not the install then, I guess the next step is to try logging into kde4 as a different user and/or looking at /var/log/kdm.log and ~/.xsession-errors	02:44
Ch1ppy	stdin: alright, I will mess around a bit and see what I can find. Thanks for the help :)	02:45
stdin	no problem	02:45
jeffm__	HI, all. I have a quock question about the automatic clock synchronization in the Date & Time Control Panel.	02:47
dmcglone	go ahead jeffm__	02:47
jeffm__	I have an ipcop box on my network and it's set to sync to pool.ntp.org. I'm trying to be a good citizen and have my other internal linux boxes sync to my ipcop box. I just can't find the setting to specify the NTP server.	02:47
kkerwin	Hi. What is the current solution that enables one to use an ATI card and AIGLX?	02:48
jeffm__	The Control Panel in question gives me a droplist, but no space for an arbitrary server.	02:48
jeffm__	and grep ntp.org /etc gives me nothing.	02:48
dmcglone	thats way over my head.	02:48
dmcglone	sorry jeff, I have no experience with syncing time on a network.	02:51
jeffm__	dmcglone: no problem. I'm wondering what that option actually does -- it doesn't seem to have any real effect since I'm not seeing ntpd running.	02:52
Dragnslcr	jeff__- I noticed that too. I ended up having to install ntpd myself. Not sure if that's a bug or what	02:53
jeffm__	Dragnslcr: so that's the likely solution? install ntpd and skip the setting in control panel?	02:55
jeffm__	Dragnslcr: That's kind of the way I was heading -- I just wanted to see if anyone else had done it any other way.	02:55
Dragnslcr	I think so, yeah	02:55
Dragnslcr	The package is just called "ntp"	02:56
jeffm__	The System Settings screens -- is that KDE or Kubuntu? Meaning if I looked for KDE Date & Time would the hits apply, or should I be looking for Kubuntu Date & Time?	02:56
Dragnslcr	I think KDE	02:57
genii	kde	02:57
Dragnslcr	It's the same control panel as right-clicking the clock and going to Adjust...	02:57
jeffm__	K, thanks. I'll do some quick research to see if I can figure out where that setting actually gets stored.	02:57
jeffm__	Dragnslcr: ah, so it is.	02:58
SudoKing	hello, how do I install something with a makefile?	02:58
genii	!compile	02:58
ubotu	Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)	02:58
jeffm__	All, everything I read points to needing NTP (seems obvious). What isn't obvious is that without NTP running (not enabled by default under Kubuntu), telling KDE to set the date and time automatically doesn't work.	03:02
jeffm__	I would assume that once NTP is installed, the KDE Date & Time panel will change the NTP server specified in /etc/ntpd.conf. About to test in a moment.	03:03
osiris	is there a cli command to force a snych with NTP server ?	03:03
jeffm__	osiris: not sure. I'm apt-getting right now	03:04
jeffm__	and for some reason, my transfer rate is abysmal.	03:04
osiris	i got it at 66k	03:04
osiris	but just the client pack, not the server side	03:04
jeffm__	Yeah, that's all I'm getting. but for some reason, it seems to be taking forever.	03:05
Ch1ppy	stdin: hey, so I've checked it out, and the only error I found was a missing file (startupconfig) in my kde4 directory. Logging in as another user worked. I tried removing my .kde4 directory, but nothing, so I tried copying that file from the working user's .kde4 into the corresponding location on mine, and then kde4 started but wouldn't get past the first little bit, giving me the error "Please contact your administrator". Any ideas? :S	03:05
jeffm__	yeah, 3.7K	03:05
genii	osiris: ntpdate <servername>	03:07
osiris	wow, that made my screen suspend kick in	03:08
osiris	weird. but it DIO sych my clock	03:08
jeffm__	the sync probably made your clock jump to the future by enough for the screen suspend to trigger. You must have been way behind.	03:08
genii	The screen suspend is weird, yes	03:09
nosrednaekim	osiris: of course, because it sudely detected that your monitor had not been actuve for an extensive peroid of time :D	03:09
genii	nosrednaekim: Ah, nice call	03:09
osiris	thats what i figured	03:09
osiris	it didnt confuse me, just startled me	03:09
nosrednaekim	*suddenly and Active	03:09
raptor22x	is there possible to update kde to version 4	03:09
jeffm__	osiris: One of those, "Oh, crap, do I have to go buy a new monitor tomorrow?" moments.	03:10
nosrednaekim	genii: had me surprised the first time too, thought I had killed the computer or something :p	03:10
nosrednaekim	!kde4	03:10
ubotu	KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php	03:10
osiris	naw. more like, "did fluxbox just choke for no reason ? do i need to drop to a term and kill X ? "	03:10
nosrednaekim	raptor22x: actually, take a look at the channel topic	03:10
newuser	hello again... How exactly do I add repositories??? I did it once but don't remember where I found them?? I have a toshiba laptop satalite A205-s4707 is there a specific repository that may be better for me?	03:11
osiris	!source-o-matic	03:11
ubotu	source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic	03:11
nosrednaekim	!repositories \| newuser	03:11
newuser	I know how to add them I dont know where I found them\	03:11
ubotu	newuser: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu	03:11
nosrednaekim	newuser: ah... what repositories?	03:11
osiris	now, when i do ntpdate, does that synch the bios clock too ?	03:12
newuser	Please explain,,, what does the !repositories mean?	03:12
osiris	is there a way to change the HW clock from cli ? i though i remember that from an old linux book years ago	03:12
nosrednaekim	newuser: thats for if you don't know how to add repositories.	03:13
newuser	i have http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner	03:13
nosrednaekim	osiris: "date"?	03:13
osiris	asking, or telling ?	03:13
nosrednaekim	newuser: ok, thats simple to add,	03:13
genii	yes, "date"	03:13
nosrednaekim	osiris: rhetorical Q.... so both XD	03:13
newuser	Yes, and Im sorry but where do I look at !repositories? do I search google	03:13
nosrednaekim	newuser: Do you know how to add a repository?	03:14
genii	newuser: No, open your browser to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu	03:14
newuser	Y	03:14
newuser	where can I find them for 7.10	03:14
genii	Clicking on the link given by ubotu sometimes works to make the browser go there	03:14
newuser	that site takes me to older versions of ubuntu	03:15
newuser	will they still work with newer versions\	03:15
genii	newuser: Substitute "gutsy" for whatever they show	03:16
jeffm__	All, I have no idea where the KDE Date & Time Control Panel stores its NTP server settings. I don't think the Time Server-related options I set on that screen have any effect on my machine.	03:16
newuser	also on my laptop i have a core due and in systray it is reporting 800mhz each and it should be 2.0????\	03:17
nosrednaekim	newuser: frequency scaling... do something to use alot of CPU and that will jump up.	03:18
newuser	ok,,, so its normal?	03:18
nosrednaekim	newuser: yeah	03:19
newuser	thx	03:19
nosrednaekim	newuser: as long as you don't notice any slowness	03:19
Ch1ppy	hey, I'm trying to get into a kde4 session, but it seems that kde4 doesn't like my user account. I can login under a different user, and it works fine, but when I try my account kde4 won't start at all. I've tried removing .kde4 and the same thing occurs, so I have no idea how it could be specific to my account. Any ideas?	03:20
nosrednaekim	Ch1ppy: sure its using the .kde4 not the .kde3?	03:21
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekim: I get an error about a missing file in .kde4, so yes	03:21
jembouge	nite evryone	03:21
nosrednaekim	Ch1ppy: which missing file	03:22
mediacenter	hello.. im looking for help with mounting a hfs+ mac disk with kde	03:22
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekim: "startupconfig". I tried copying that over to my account, and kde4 would then start to run (slight progress), but would stop just after beginning and hang.	03:23
nosrednaekim	Ch1ppy: try copying your whole .kde4 over...	03:23
nosrednaekim	!hfs \| mediacenter	03:24
ubotu	mediacenter: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE	03:24
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekim: from the other one? I tried doing that but kept getting a thing about the folder being omitted...	03:24
nosrednaekim	Ch1ppy: hrm.	03:24
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekim: my thoughts exactly :)	03:24
theverant	has anyone else here had issues with Dolphin tanking their system?	03:25
nosrednaekim	Ch1ppy: did you try #kde4-devel?	03:25
theverant	when I try to select multiple files it OFTEN kills KDE completely	03:25
theverant	x restarts	03:25
mediacenter	thanks for the quick reference	03:25
theverant	it's not always, but it's a lot	03:25
nosrednaekim	Dolphin is.....not very good, I still use konqueror.	03:25
nosrednaekim	or at least, the kde3 dlphin isn't	03:26
nosrednaekim	the kde4 dolphin is great	03:26
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekim: I could try that, thought I would ask here first though. Any ideas on how to copy over the folder? It would probably work if I could do that, but cp just won't do it	03:26
nosrednaekim	cp -R	03:26
nosrednaekim	for recursive	03:26
theverant	I think I got the same behaviour in konq yesterday. I will use it more consistantly and see if the problem is in both	03:26
theverant	I prefer konq for most stuff, but Dolphin does have a nice clean interface which I enjoy	03:26
Ch1ppy	nosrednaekim: ah, that works. Will try it now, thanks	03:27
ardchoille	Keep in mind the "dolphin" in gutsy is not dolphin, it's d3lphin.. a fork that is no longer developed.	03:27
nosrednaekim	except by us <_<	03:27
nosrednaekim	or rather...mhb	03:28
theverant	well it's kind of annoying that it's default, then	03:28
ardchoille	theverant: I couldn't agree more.	03:28
theverant	especially given the waton damage it has caused me - including a few hours in Gimp lost	03:28
theverant	anyway, I'm not complaining... I was just wondering if this behaviour was normal, or if it was just my system or what	03:29
newuser	ok I only have two repositories listed in my software sources list.... I know how to load them,,, I need to know how to find the repositories... I have updated them in the system but the update manager says they all cannot be updated.. IS this because they aren't in the software list????	03:30
newuser	updating 198 upgrades	03:30
newuser	or is it installing through package manager even though it isnt in the software list of software repos???	03:31
SudoKing	When I've ran the make install and it's complete, how do I run the compiled app?	03:31
nosrednaekim	newuser: those 198 updates are updates on programs	03:31
newuser	oh... this is a partial upgrade	03:31
nosrednaekim	SudoKing: depends on that it is called	03:32
newuser	ok... Im tring to get sound and a substitute for flash... Is there a repository that has these files?	03:32
nosrednaekim	SudoKing: what did you install?	03:32
newuser	gnash isnt working	03:32
SudoKing	its from a tar.gz file	03:32
nosrednaekim	!flash \| newuser	03:33
ubotu	newuser: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash	03:33
BonesolTeraDyne	SudoKing: What is the name of the app?	03:33
nosrednaekim	newuser: use the official flash	03:33
SudoKing	I know what the name of the app, however I do not know what it called it :P	03:33
newuser	ok... again not to be a pain but what does it mean " !flash	03:33
nosrednaekim	SudoKing: well, whats the name?	03:33
SudoKing	dancer	03:33
newuser	what is the command or funtion I need to do to read on it	03:34
SudoKing	newuser: that's how you operate ubotu :P	03:34
BonesolTeraDyne	newuser: the "!" activates ubotu's sayings.	03:34
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nosrednaekim	newuser: !<whatever> is a bot command.... read the thing ubotu said after that.	03:34
newuser	hahaha when you give me !flash I dont know what to do with it	03:34
SudoKing	read what ubotu says :P	03:34
jtt	anyone know of any specific problems with plextor dual-layer burners on gutsy platform	03:34
* SudoKing thinks that's a rather creative name for an ubuntu bot		03:35
newuser	what does the ! mean and where do I put it to read up on flash	03:35
ardchoille	newuser: /msg ubotu !flash	03:35
newuser	in a term window	03:35
jtt	!dual-layer \|jtt	03:35
newuser	on google search??? where does the ! flash go?	03:35
SudoKing	nosrednaekim, so how do I run it? :?	03:35
SudoKing	newuser: ignore the !	03:35
SudoKing	its just the prefix	03:35
nosrednaekim	SudoKing: try "dancer"	03:35
SudoKing	ok	03:35
SudoKing	"command not found"	03:36
SudoKing	hmm	03:36
nosrednaekim	SudoKing: lol, it should be in the README in the source DIR	03:36
nosrednaekim	!bot	03:36
ubotu	I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots	03:36
SudoKing	all-knowing, hehe =P	03:36
nosrednaekim	bye everyone!	03:36
nosrednaekim	lol	03:36
johnficca1	do they have a gobuntu for kde?	03:38
johnficca1	or a free version of kubuntu?	03:38
SudoKing	kubuntu is free, anyhow	03:39
johnficca1	not the kernel?	03:39
SudoKing	the kernel's free	03:39
johnficca1	run vrms	03:39
SudoKing	open source	03:39
SudoKing	nosrednaekim, the README file was empty LOL :?	03:39
SudoKing	oh their not here :(	03:40
BonesolTeraDyne	SudoKing: he means that it isn't completely "Free Software".	03:40
newuser	is there a list of repositories?	03:40
BonesolTeraDyne	johnficca1: You could always try installing Gobuntu and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"	03:41
newuser	I think Im getting the hang of it..Did some reading	03:41
johnficca1	yeah thats a good idea	03:41
nonewmsgs	how can i disable focus follows cursor	03:41
SudoKing	how do i run the .sh file, then?	03:41
nonewmsgs	bash xxxx.sh	03:41
BonesolTeraDyne	SudoKing: "sh <name of file>"	03:42
BonesolTeraDyne	SudoKing: "sh <name of file>"	03:42
BonesolTeraDyne	gah, I hit the up key	03:42
BonesolTeraDyne	I ment to say that you could also use "./<name of file>"	03:42
SudoKing	Um, it looks like its giving a wrong directory, what file do I need to edit?	03:43
nonewmsgs	nm i found it under window behavior	03:43
SudoKing	I'm in as root, why does it say Permission denied when I run ./launch.sh ?	03:53
lnxkde	SudoKing: just do this	03:56
SudoKing	=?	03:56
lnxkde	sudo chmod u+x yourfile.sh	03:56
lnxkde	then u can run it	03:56
lnxkde	;)	03:56
SudoKing	ok :)	03:56
SudoKing	:D done, I just need a way to edit the file	03:57
SudoKing	it appears blank in Kwrite	03:57
neville__	nano?	03:57
SudoKing	eh, I'm not very good at working with cmd-line based text editors	03:58
SudoKing	=(	03:58
lnxkde	SudoKing: sudo nano -w yourfiile	03:58
SudoKing	Inxkde: how do you save the file when you're done? =)	04:00
ciasa	has anyone here used the kde 4 RC 2 packages provided by kubuntu? I'm having trouble installing them.	04:01
ciasa	the provided packages are trying to overrite file from the kde3 packages	04:01
hydrogen	!brokenkde4 \| ciasa	04:01
ubotu	ciasa: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	04:01
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hellonull	how do i turn desktop effects off via konsole?	04:05
ciasa	is it really necessary to use the kde3 packages from the ppa? I'd like to test the kde4 packages, but then remove the ppa source and go back to just the kubuntu sources later	04:06
Dragnslcr	You mean Compiz?	04:06
SudoKing	Um, it keeps saying permission denied to the folder I have the .sh file in even though I'm root + I set the chmod permissions?	04:06
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hellonull	dragnslcr: no, kwin in 7.10 w/ kde4 rc2	04:07
raptor22x	exit	04:07
Dragnslcr	I have no idea then	04:07
raptor22x	ooops wrong place	04:07
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=== junkie is now known as PSPJunkie
newuser	E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem... I Did but it didn't change anything..??	04:11
newuser	I cant get into adept without a system crash every attempt	04:13
level1	why is ~/.xsession-errors given the magical ability to be deleted without freeing any space? It was listed as taking up 3.2GB (all of my availible space on the drive) so I deleted it, but my drive is still full. Where did my space go?!?	04:13
hydrogen	if something still has that file open its not yet deleted	04:15
hydrogen	so thats probably what your seeing	04:16
level1	where did my space go? I really want it back... why do I have to keep deleting my own files because X is taking all my space and not giving back...	04:16
hydrogen	restarting is probably the easiest way	04:16
hydrogen	then symlink .xsession-errors to /dev/null	04:16
level1	I'll be very happy to do that	04:16
newuser	is there no help for new user	04:17
wilson	newuser: is there any error message ?	04:17
newuser	look up[ i typed it already thx	04:17
wilson	what happened when you did 'dpkg --configure -a'	04:18
wilson	did it ask you to run anything else	04:18
wilson	maybe try it again and look carefully	04:18
newuser	wilson are ya with me?? Do you understand what is going on here?	04:20
wilson	yep you cant get into adept	04:21
newuser	above that	04:21
newuser	is the error mess	04:21
wilson	yes	04:21
wilson	but dpkg might have another error	04:22
newuser	do you know how to help me...	04:22
wilson	i guess not ?	04:22
newuser	ok	04:22
marcelo	olas	04:24
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newuser	i have a software index that was broker but I cant get into synaptic to fix broken link]	04:26
newuser	broken	04:26
wilson	need to see what dpkg says	04:27
newuser	no way to tell.. No matter what I try i still get dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem	04:28
newuser	I do but there is not change\	04:28
newuser	I cant believe I'll have to reinstall the operating system again	04:30
newuser	??	04:30
genii	!aptfix	04:32
ubotu	If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »	04:32
genii	hmm	04:32
genii	sudo ?	04:32
SudoKing	yes?	04:32
newuser	command not found	04:32
genii	SudoKing: Heh :)	04:32
SudoKing	oh you beeped me I thought you were asking something	04:33
genii	newuser: sudo dpkg --configure -a	04:33
SudoKing	pft	04:33
* genii hands SudoKing a consolation coffee		04:33
* SudoKing gets beeped when someone says "sudo" :P so I kind of have to hold my ears in here while I wait for support, but oh well =D		04:33
newuser	working it THX	04:34
newuser	processing triggers	04:34
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newuser	O M G UBOTU!!!!! you saved me so much time and effort.. I was going to reinstall the os to fix the problem ... What a GODSEND Thank You	04:36
SudoKing	heh	04:37
SudoKing	hmmm	04:37
SudoKing	!welcome	04:37
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	04:37
SudoKing	lol	04:37
SudoKing	=(	04:37
genii	newuser: sudo is often important to put before certain commands to make them run with proper permissions	04:37
SudoKing	usually root :P	04:38
genii	newuser: Glad you don't need to reinstall now anyhow :)	04:38
ardchoille	!sudo	04:38
ubotu	sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.	04:38
genii	ardchoille: I'm avoiding offtopic btw ;)	04:38
* genii puts on a pot of coffee for all		04:38
newuser	ok guys Im almost there.. I have 1 broken package and I cant find it... I tried the broken filter but nothing seems to be there how do I find the broken Pkg?	04:39
* neville__ steals the pot of coffee intended for all		04:39
deuryte	xcell	04:39
deuryte	its decaf.......	04:40
XceII	deu..wait 120 secs before pass word...shit down pidgin and do again	04:40
neville__	Lol!	04:40
XceII	shut	04:40
XceII	sry	04:40
neville__	Hahaha	04:40
XceII	lol	04:40
deuryte	I already did	04:41
Voyage__	iam using virtual box to run winxp . how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .	04:41
XceII	damn	04:41
newuser	looks like I figured this one out..... Thanks for the help people..	04:41
deuryte	oyur welcome......... olduser	04:42
XceII	deu...shut down pidgin...start back up...)wait 120 secs to give pass...(wait). do mit bye	04:42
deuryte	4	04:42
mm_202	Hey guys. Anyone know why 4GB of RAM only shows up as 3.21GB? Kubuntu 7.10 linux 2.6.22-14-generic	04:46
genii	shared memory?	04:47
Dr_willis	That is an interesting topic mm_202 :)	04:47
hellonull	is there a kde equivalent of gnome's metacity?	04:47
Dr_willis	yea. for a start. Your video card isent taking part of ot is it?	04:47
Dr_willis	hellonull, kde uses 'kwin' as its window manager. gnome uses metacity	04:47
hellonull	dr_willis: would i use kwin --replace to turn off desktop effects, then?	04:48
Daisuke_Ido	mm_202: what version of kubuntu are you using?	04:48
Daisuke_Ido	32 bit or 64 bit	04:48
deuryte	xcell, too tired will do it tomorrow	04:48
mm_202	Dr_willis: no, I have a nice nVidia card, so I highly doubt it. At POST it shows up as 4092MB (4MB short of 4GB), but not ~700MB short.	04:48
mm_202	32bit	04:49
Daisuke_Ido	then that's why	04:49
Daisuke_Ido	the OS can't use the whole 4gb	04:49
mm_202	And I do have a AMD 2X 64bit... but that shouldnt have anything to do with the 4GB limit	04:49
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Daisuke_Ido	the OS can't even see the whole 4gb	04:49
mm_202	Daisuke_Ido: wtf not?	04:49
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Daisuke_Ido	because it's a 32-bit OS.	04:49
Daisuke_Ido	if you want it all, go 64 bit	04:50
* mm_202 doesnt think that sounds like a simple upgrade		04:50
Daisuke_Ido	download 64 bit iso, burn 64 bit iso, install 64 bit version of kubuntu	04:50
Daisuke_Ido	!amd64	04:51
ubotu	AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.	04:51
jalbert	!wifi	04:51
ubotu	Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs	04:51
* genii ponders altering apt.conf to read x86_64		04:51
mm_202	Daisuke_Ido: besides the extra ~750MB of RAM, does a 64bit Ubuntu have anything else to offer for the trouble?	04:52
Daisuke_Ido	uses the extended registers available to the 64 bit architecture, so you'll see a bit of a performance increase	04:52
Daisuke_Ido	but it's not without drawbacks	04:52
Daisuke_Ido	The drawbacks are that Ubuntu, with APT (the package manager for Ubuntu), currently does not support BiArch, which means you likely won't be able to install and run 32bit packages on your AMD64 install. This is a problem for users who wish to use Flash, w32 codecs, and WINE (for example), as they are only available for 32-bit. There are possible methods of getting it running, but they involve creating a chroot (see	04:52
Daisuke_Ido	DebootstrapChroot), for example.	04:52
jalbert	hey all	04:53
Daisuke_Ido	that's slightly outdated, as i think flash works alright now, though i won't swear to it	04:53
Daisuke_Ido	your best bet is stick with 32 for right now, until 64's better supported	04:53
jalbert	I'm having a problem with accessing USB external NTFS hard drives	04:53
supert0nes	sorry to annoy, but could someone throw out the broken package command to the bot	04:54
mm_202	Daisuke_Ido: thanks, sounds good.	04:54
Daisuke_Ido	you're welcome	04:54
Daisuke_Ido	!aptfix > supert0nes	04:55
Daisuke_Ido	check your private messages	04:55
supert0nes	oh oops i meant for the kde4 rc2	04:56
Daisuke_Ido	ahh	04:56
Daisuke_Ido	!kde4rc2	04:56
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about kde4rc2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	04:56
mm_202	Daisuke_Ido: hmm, it seems that 32bit archs can see and use the entire 4GB, but PAE must be enabled. Anyone have any luck/experience with that?	04:57
Daisuke_Ido	ooh, this is news to me, i have no idea about that	04:57
mm_202	k	04:57
* mm_202 will figure it out and report back		04:57
Daisuke_Ido	!brokenkde4 \| supert0nes	04:57
ubotu	supert0nes: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	04:57
Daisuke_Ido	mm_202: good luck	04:57
genii	32bit server kernel is pae enabled	04:58
Daisuke_Ido	server kernel	04:58
jalbert	is there some kind of driver needed for USB hard drives?	04:59
newuser	wow,,, I really did a lot of updating and stuff but I still cant listen to Yahoo music... The screen doesn't load up and there isn't sound on my sys... Can some one help me get it	04:59
supert0nes	thanks	04:59
Daisuke_Ido	newuser: to my knowledge, yahoo music doesn't work	05:00
Daisuke_Ido	yahoo videos do though	05:00
Daisuke_Ido	this is what i heard several months ago though, it may well have changed	05:01
genii	usb-storage	05:01
newuser	so I cant watch discovery video's or listen to music with ubuntu?	05:01
Daisuke_Ido	you are aware that there are many many more ways to listen to music than through yahoo	05:02
Daisuke_Ido	right?	05:02
genii	jalbert: see if command:lsmod\|grep usb_storage produces a result	05:02
newuser	hahahaa No... Im not... Im an ol fart that never had time to explore other music venues... how can I??	05:03
jalbert	"lsmod\|grep usb_storage"?	05:03
genii	jalbert: Yes	05:03
jalbert	OK I got:	05:04
jalbert	usb_storage 72256 0	05:04
jalbert	libusual 17936 1 usb_storage	05:04
jalbert	scsi_mod 142348 6 sbp2,usb_storage,sg,sd_mod,sr_mod,libata	05:04
jalbert	usbcore 134280 7 ndiswrapper,usbhid,usb_storage,libusual,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd	05:04
newuser	as far as yahoo music... When I sign in it always works with windozzz	05:04
jalbert	was that too many lines to paste?	05:05
genii	jalbert: Then usb_storage is already loaded	05:05
Daisuke_Ido	newuser: open amarok, go to the playlists tab on the left, and check out radio streams	05:05
genii	jalbert: Normally 3 or more lines is much but it's comparatively slow today ;)	05:05
newuser	cool I will thx	05:05
Daisuke_Ido	should be pre-loaded with cool-streams and shoutcast streams (i believe)	05:05
jalbert	ok then why can't it see the NTFS drive in there?	05:05
genii	!paste	05:06
ubotu	pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)	05:06
genii	jalbert: ue abovementioned pastebin to post the results of the command: sudo fdisk -l	05:06
jalbert	ok	05:06
jalbert	fdisk?	05:06
genii	yes	05:06
genii	sudo fdisk -l	05:06
=== jalbert is now known as jahttp
jahttp	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47915/	05:09
genii	ok reading	05:09
=== jahttp is now known as jalbert
jalbert	it's seeing it, but it won't mounbt :(	05:10
genii	is it in /etc/fstab ?	05:10
genii	eg: grep -e sdb -f /etc/fstab	05:11
genii	should show a rssult if it is	05:11
jalbert	nope	05:11
genii	*result	05:11
jalbert	no /dev/sdb1	05:12
genii	jalbert: Need to make an entry then	05:12
jalbert	oh wait	05:12
jake_	I'm getting an error while trying to install the KDE4 packages for Gusty	05:12
jake_	Errors were encountered while processing:	05:12
jake_	/var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb	05:12
jake_	E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)	05:12
jalbert	when I ran the command	05:12
jake_	apt-get -f install isn't working	05:13
jalbert	nothing at all came up	05:13
genii	jalbert: That means it wasn't found.	05:13
jalbert	ok	05:13
jalbert	so I need to add it then	05:13
genii	jalbert: Kmenu..System Settings..Advanced tab..Disks and Filesystems	05:13
genii	jalbert: Does it show there? sdb2	05:14
genii	sdb1 rather	05:14
newuser	to install realplayer 10 for linux is there a specific destination folder to put it in to enable it to work with firefox or opera?	05:14
jake_	ideas? current kde4 apps in the kmenu aren't working as I expected	05:15
Daisuke_Ido	!brokenkde4 \| jake_	05:16
ubotu	jake_: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	05:16
jake_	thanks!	05:16
jalbert	genii: yes it does	05:17
genii	jalbert: Then you should be able from there in Administrator Mode to allow regular users to mount it, etc	05:19
genii	jalbert: Since is removable normally would have automount not on	05:19
jalbert	ok	05:19
jalbert	for some reason, the login dialog isn't coming up	05:20
jalbert	one sec	05:21
genii	jalbert: Since we used sudo recently it should remember you are doing admin things recently and not bug all the time	05:21
SudoKing	you used me? when?	05:21
SudoKing	oh	05:21
genii	SudoKing: I think you need to switch your beep flagging to sudok from sudo ;)	05:22
* genii slides SudoKing a consolation beer		05:22
jalbert	I know, but the window border is red...	05:24
jalbert	one sec	05:24
Daisuke_Ido	newuser: i've gotta ask, and i know i'm going to regret it, but... why realplayer?	05:25
jalbert	I'm going to reboot	05:25
genii	red border = good	05:25
jalbert	Daisuke_Ido, maybe he has some old porn from like 1998	05:25
jalbert	one sec, rebooting	05:26
* genii wonders of this "rebooting" thing		05:27
deuryte	xcell	05:27
uberbob	anyone have any problems with blender starting up? I'm getting segmentation faults	05:27
newuser	well, like I said, Im an ol fart and never really looked into anything else.. It was what worked at the time and still Doesnt work with my system.. I think I need drivers for my sound and video still because i get a distored video page with no movement	05:28
newuser	also it works seamlessly with any browser on Windozzzz so i thought it would work well on linux also as long as they have linux installations for it... \	05:29
Dr_willis	I thought realplayer had some linux type licensed player. i forget the name	05:32
Dr_willis	Realplayer has really fallen from where it used to be. :)	05:32
newuser	so far I've been and continue to be discouraged with the laptop... NO sound or Video capabilities for web so far... I think i need drivers?? any ideas?? Toshiba satallite A205-s4707 not sure what is in it... Got it at walmart supersale black friday $768. reg price $398. for me... Got 2	05:33
Dr_willis	with some of the new laptops and their chipsets you might need the latest versions of alsa I think.	05:34
Dr_willis	as for 'video for web' a lot depends on the site/kind of video.	05:34
newuser	Dr_willis realplayer 10 gold I just installed it but I still cant see video online.. I miss MY DISCOVERY.COM !!!!	05:35
newuser	where can I find the alsa	05:36
Dr_willis	!alsa	05:36
ubotu	If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3	05:36
newuser	this is a new laptop shouldn't it have the latest already?	05:36
Dr_willis	the chipset is so NEW that alsa might not have support for it yet.	05:36
newuser	i see	05:37
Dr_willis	or its some variant/bugged/changed version of an older version thats causing issues.	05:37
Dr_willis	Gotta love the ever changing standards/chipsets :)	05:37
Dr_willis	Of coruse with the next release of ubuntu, the laptops may work. BUt then there may be new laptops that then have new chipsets that may not work.	05:38
Dr_willis	My laptop dident do linux too well when i first got it. Its now a year old. and works Great with ubuntu.	05:38
newuser	ubotu hello again,,, Yes it is x'ed	05:39
Dr_willis	!bot	05:39
ubotu	I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots	05:39
Dr_willis	ubotu is a bot. :) that spits out factoids on demand.	05:39
jalbert	genii: I'm getting this error: Unable to enter file:///home/jalbert/<mount point>. You do not have access rights to this location.	05:39
newuser	thx	05:40
jalbert	how can that be? I'm logged in as myself!	05:40
ardchoille	jalbert: Look into the permisions/ownership of the mountpoint	05:40
jalbert	It says the owner is root	05:41
ardchoille	aha :)	05:41
jalbert	:/	05:41
genii	sudo chown -R jalbert:jalbert /home/jalbert/<mountpoint>	05:41
ardchoille	genii got it :)	05:41
newuser	hahahaha Boy I guess I got a lot to learn and am having fun doing it to thanks to all of you for your help tonight,,, I gotta shut down son has an early practice tomm... Later	05:41
genii	substitute mountpoint accordingly	05:41
Dr_willis	Hmm. I dident think one normally chmoded mountpoints that way.	05:42
Dr_willis	is this a windows/ntfs or other filesystem?	05:42
genii	Dr_willis: Definitely not good practise, I agree	05:42
ardchoille	Dr_willis: Well, I didn't think one normally made mountpoints in $HOME	05:42
jalbert	genii: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'	05:43
Dr_willis	ardchoille, i normally put links in Home pointing to the right /media/whever :)	05:43
ardchoille	Dr_willis: Links I can see, but not mountpoints	05:43
Dr_willis	Of course with the various FUSE things.. i do have mountpoints in there. :)	05:43
* genii ponders `newline'		05:44
Dr_willis	may be a typo in the bash script, or an extra cr/lf issue.. or a dash/bash issue	05:44
Evil_	I didn't think Kubuntu installed a firewall by default, but frostwire says a firewall is blocking it	05:44
Dr_willis	!firewall	05:44
ubotu	Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).	05:44
picharritas	hola, alguien habla español?	05:45
genii	Dr_willis: I just re examined what I put, looks right	05:45
Dr_willis	It has a firewall with no rules by default.	05:45
ardchoille	!es \| picharritas	05:45
ubotu	picharritas: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.	05:45
hydrogen	the default policy is ACCEPT though	05:45
Dr_willis	jalbert, what text editor did you use?	05:45
hydrogen	so you shouldn't have anything blocked	05:45
jake_	ok, thanks. KDE4 is working great.	05:45
jalbert	I'm using Konsole	05:45
genii	jalbert: Should't matter	05:45
jalbert	it's a bash shell	05:46
ardchoille	jalbert: konsole, yes, but which editor in konsole?	05:46
Dr_willis	Ive seen 'issues' befor where people use windoes notepad.exe - THAT can cause issues..	05:46
deuryte	hey!! dr phil ? !11 er I mean dr willis?	05:46
jalbert	I just typed it at the command line in Konsole	05:46
kaankee	i installed java5 using spt-get install command but when i type java -version command i am getting the following error	05:46
kaankee	The program 'java' can be found in the following packages:	05:46
Dr_willis	"Please state the nature of the Linux emergancy" :)	05:46
genii	jalbert: You got the newline error after the chown command or when you tried to mount the drive?	05:46
kaankee	* cacao	05:47
kaankee	* j2re1.4	05:47
kaankee	* kaffe	05:47
Dr_willis	!java	05:47
ubotu	To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.	05:47
kaankee	* jamvm	05:47
kaankee	* java-gcj-compat	05:47
jalbert	when I typed that line into the console, I got that error	05:47
kaankee	* gij-4.1	05:47
kaankee	* gij-4.2	05:47
kaankee	* sablevm	05:47
kaankee	Try: apt-get install <selected package>	05:47
kaankee	-bash: java: command not found	05:47
kaankee	plz help me...	05:47
Lynoure	!pastebin	05:47
ubotu	pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)	05:47
genii	jalbert: OK cut and paste it from here to konsole then	05:47
Daisuke_Ido	WHOA there, getting a little superexcited with the pasting	05:47
genii	sudo chown -R jalbert:jalbert /home/jalbert/	05:47
genii	then put the name of the dir you have there as mountpoint	05:48
jalbert	appears to be changing permissions to every subdirectory on that HDD	05:48
jalbert	thanks	05:48
Dr_willis	kaankee, if using Gutsy/7.10 - i belive the 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras' will install java and other web/media bits	05:48
kaankee	i am using kubuntu 7.10	05:49
genii	then it must have been mounted	05:49
jalbert	yay	05:49
jalbert	:)	05:49
Dr_willis	kaankee, install that package then :) its a must get on any of my new installs	05:49
Dr_willis	!find restricted-extras	05:50
ubotu	Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras, ubuntu-restricted-extras, xubuntu-restricted-extras	05:50
Dr_willis	Just to make sure i spelt it right. :) its kubuntu-restricted-extras	05:50
kaankee	k.. thanks... i am installing now..	05:50
hellonull	do restricted extras include nvidia restricted drivers?	05:50
genii	I'm not sure how chown on an ntfs filesystem might affect how it runs if you have xp/2k/vista etc running off it normally	05:50
hydrogen	it wouldn't matter	05:50
jalbert	well it's an old drive I pulled out of a laptop	05:50
hydrogen	ntfs doesn't respect ownership	05:51
jalbert	it has an XP installation on it	05:51
kaankee	where can i find multiverse repository in kubuntu	05:51
Dr_willis	genii, with vfat/ntfs - Im pretty sure you Must mount them with the proper umask, or other options.	05:51
ardchoille	kaankee: If you're running Gutsy, it should already be enabled	05:51
Dr_willis	or use the ntfs-3g stuff.. Not sure how it handles the permissions.. need to read those docs some day	05:51
genii	Dr_willis: He had an automatic entry already in fstab	05:51
jalbert	um...	05:52
jalbert	it's still giving me the same error when I click the icon	05:52
kaankee	i am new to kubuntu.. i dont know anything about gutsy.. i am using kubuntu 7.10	05:52
Dr_willis	Hmm - My ntfs-3g fstab entry --> /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0	05:52
genii	Dr_willis: I'm just vaguely worried if chowning to some linux username of it might affect booting/running Windows from it	05:52
Dr_willis	kaankee, GUtsy IS 7.10	05:52
tahsin	can anyone give me the link to the ubuntu channel?	05:53
Dr_willis	genii, i have never seen that happen. I would guess it would give an error about how it cant chown/chmod the stuff.	05:53
jake_	irc://#ubuntu@irc.freenode.net	05:53
Dr_willis	genii, in fact i seem to recall that exact issue befor when copying stuff to a ntfs drive.	05:53
genii	jalbert: OK. In konsole: sudo nano /etc/fstab then go to the end of the very last word of the very last line. Hit enter a few times then save it	05:53
genii	jalbert: Do that by ctrl-x then choose Y or yes to save, enter key for default name	05:54
Dr_willis	the 'fte' editor can show newlines and carrage returns both.. But im not sure how they would of gotten in there.	05:54
jalbert	what's nano?	05:54
genii	I suspect the fstab needs a newline	05:54
genii	jalbert: a text editor for consoles	05:55
hydrogen	echo ' ' >> /etc/fstab	05:55
hydrogen	tadaa	05:55
genii	hydrogen: nope, needs admin priv	05:55
Dr_willis	hydrogen, just be sure to use >> and not > :)	05:55
genii	and sudo echo >>somefile doesn't work, try it	05:55
hydrogen	echo '' \| sudo tee -a /etc/fstab	05:55
hydrogen	tadaaer	05:55
hydrogen	or you could open a root console..	05:56
genii	hydrogen: Better :)	05:56
hydrogen	its not that complicated	05:56
jalbert	ok should I post the results?	05:56
genii	jalbert: If less than 3 lines or so sure	05:56
genii	otherwise pastebin	05:57
jalbert	hold on	05:57
hydrogen	there shouldn't be results..	05:57
jalbert	!pastebin	05:57
ubotu	pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)	05:57
genii	hydrogen: Thats my thought too	05:57
jalbert	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47925/	05:58
hydrogen	ohh	05:58
hydrogen	heh	05:58
jalbert	ok now what am I supposed to do?	05:58
* hydrogen lets genii continue with this one		05:58
genii	I see the issue	05:58
XceII	Dr_willis: Help...bill gates has fallen and cant get up....j/k.	05:58
hydrogen	jalbert: unix files expect a blank line at the end of them	05:58
hydrogen	for the most part	05:58
hydrogen	so go to the last line	05:58
Dr_willis	XceII, quick get the lawnmower!	05:58
hydrogen	and hit enter	05:58
jalbert	yeah	05:58
XceII	lol	05:59
hydrogen	then Ctrl-x, y, enter	05:59
hydrogen	to save it	05:59
jalbert	so go to: /dev/sdb1 <mount\040point> auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0	05:59
genii	jalbert: the convention of using <something> in instructions means to replace <something> with the real thing thats relevent to your setup	05:59
jalbert	and hit enter?	05:59
XceII	genni: u my buddy.	05:59
hydrogen	ahaha	06:00
* hydrogen didn't see that part		06:00
* Dr_willis think there was some oddities in that line..		06:00
* Dr_willis is vastly confused now..		06:00
XceII	lol	06:00
XceII	bill on the mind	06:00
Dr_willis	\040point ? where did \040 come from?	06:00
jalbert	so I have to edit the path of the mount point?	06:00
Dr_willis	The path to the mountpoint must be correct and the directory for the mount point MUST exist befor somthing is mounted to it.	06:01
* hydrogen thinks its far past time for a gui fstab editor		06:01
genii	<mount\040point> is no good	06:01
genii	as a mountpoint	06:01
genii	replace it with something like /home/jalbert/sdb1	06:01
jalbert	I can see that	06:01
XceII	duh	06:01
genii	then save that file, do in konsole: mkdir ~/sdb1	06:01
Dr_willis	I perfer /media/Porn :)	06:01
XceII	oi	06:02
Daisuke_Ido	hydrogen: this IS the problem with a gui fstab editor (kde's disks and filesystems applet)	06:02
genii	jalbert: Yes you need to make some mountpoint that is valid	06:02
XceII	another perv	06:02
Dr_willis	Its for resarch..I am a Doctor. :)	06:02
Daisuke_Ido	you can't have /media/Porn/	06:02
Daisuke_Ido	it has to be broken down and categorized further.	06:02
genii	Actually /media/sdb1 is the best mount to put there for conventional sanity	06:02
genii	instead of anything in ~	06:03
Dr_willis	Daisuke_Ido, well I have seperate hard drives for the different catagories. :)	06:03
* genii sends hydrogen vifstab		06:03
Daisuke_Ido	now THAT gets creepy	06:03
Dr_willis	!info vimtutor	06:03
ubotu	Package vimtutor does not exist in gutsy	06:03
* hydrogen sends genii vipw		06:03
genii	jalbert: Still here? ;)	06:04
ardchoille	Dr_willis: iirc, vimtutor is in the vim-full package	06:04
jalbert	yeah	06:05
jalbert	how do I save this file?	06:05
XceII	deuryte....wake up.	06:05
genii	jalbert: If so please tell what you put for what was <whatever\040> or such	06:05
* hydrogen doesn't even want to think about what would be in an emacs-full package		06:05
jalbert	heheh	06:05
jalbert	okay	06:05
jalbert	I put /media/sdb1	06:06
genii	jalbert: to save, hit ctrl and x key together.Then choose y to save.Enter key to confirm name	06:06
genii	jalbert: Good :)	06:06
genii	at least /media/sdb1 is sane convention	06:06
Voyage__	iam using virtual box to run winxp . how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .	06:07
genii	jalbert: After saving, do: sudo mkdir /media/sdb1	06:07
jalbert	I don't know how I managed to get the mount point named like that	06:07
genii	jalbert: Yes, that was very odd name etc	06:07
jalbert	it was generated by the System Settings program	06:08
* hydrogen wonders what that character is		06:08
Daisuke_Ido	hydrogen: i remember when i was 13-14 or so, i frequented the local BBSes, and one of them had a file section devoted to emacs. tons upon tons of files, and i never downloaded them (i had neither the time nor the credits to, for one)... i wonder... if i had downloaded emacs back then, would i hate it so much now?	06:08
Daisuke_Ido	probably.	06:08
XceII	Linux is logical...windoze is logistical...linux=7.10 windows=666.	06:08
genii	Daisuke_Ido: I did d/l it and still detest the thing	06:08
Daisuke_Ido	jalbert: kde's disks & filesystems applet stinks	06:08
Daisuke_Ido	genii: that's why i said probably :D	06:09
jalbert	ok	06:09
jalbert	now it's saying there are no files or folders there	06:09
Daisuke_Ido	it isn't mounted yet	06:09
hydrogen	mount /media/sdb1	06:09
Daisuke_Ido	D&F applet tried to give my swap partition a mount point :\	06:09
genii	what hydrogen said :)	06:09
hydrogen	heh	06:10
Voyage__	any one?	06:10
hydrogen	thats what hydrogen said!	06:10
hydrogen	ooooh, burn!	06:10
deuryt1	xcell	06:10
jalbert	mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/sdb1 busy	06:10
jalbert	mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is mounted on /home/jalbert/<mount point>	06:10
XceII	ya	06:10
jalbert	wtf?!?	06:10
genii	LOL	06:10
XceII	gnite bro	06:10
Daisuke_Ido	jalbert: umount /dev/sdb1	06:10
jalbert	heheh okay	06:11
hydrogen	oh my	06:11
genii	you used <mountpoint> literally from the instructions earlier	06:11
hydrogen	yay for kde	06:11
Daisuke_Ido	genii: i still say it's the D&F applet :\	06:11
jalbert	hmmm.... umount: /dev/sdb1 mount disagrees with the fstab	06:11
genii	jalbert: umount /home/jalbert/<mountpoint> exactly	06:11
deuryt1	2 things......... 1] after closing chat it wouldn't start back up, so I logged out and logged in and it took, #2 the cd's you just burned for me?, they work in my dvd...	06:11
genii	with the <mountpoint>	06:11
Daisuke_Ido	ah yeah, you'd have to do that	06:11
Daisuke_Ido	not <mountpoint>, <mount point>	06:12
Voyage__	iam using virtual box to run winxp . how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .	06:12
hydrogen	or umount -f /dev/sdb1	06:12
hydrogen	as root	06:12
genii	Daisuke_Ido: I do now think it's what put that weird string for mount	06:12
hydrogen	might be easier than trying to get the escaping right (even with tab completion)	06:12
XceII	deu off topic room	06:12
hydrogen	sudo umount /dev/sdb1	06:12
jalbert	bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'	06:12
jalbert	hydrogen: ok done	06:13
genii	does:mount\|grep sdb1 produce a result now or just command prompt again	06:13
jalbert	now can I go ahead and mount the damn drive?	06:13
genii	See above instruction first	06:14
genii	If it still shows on <mountpoint> need force	06:14
jalbert	ok	06:14
jalbert	now try mounting it?	06:15
hydrogen	yes	06:15
* genii sips a coffee		06:15
jalbert	ok...	06:15
genii	I need to go, 1:15am here	06:15
genii	jalbert: Success/failure?	06:16
genii	other?	06:16
jalbert	ok it said: You do not have enough permissions to read file:///media/sdb1	06:16
genii	sudo chown :plugdev /media/sdb1	06:17
genii	then try again	06:17
jalbert	chown: changing group of `/media/sdb1': Read-only file system	06:18
genii	wtf?	06:18
hydrogen	you need to unmount it first	06:18
jalbert	ok...	06:18
jalbert	umount it, then chown it?	06:18
hydrogen	yes	06:19
jalbert	ok...	06:19
genii	hydrogen: Can you continue? He needs likely user/users or so in fstab or ownership of the mount obviously. I need sleep	06:19
hydrogen	i need sleep as well :/	06:19
jalbert	ok!	06:19
hydrogen	this should fix it though	06:19
hydrogen	did it?	06:19
genii	I hope so	06:19
jalbert	now it opens, but the files are not visible	06:19
hydrogen	me too	06:19
hydrogen	did you remount it after chowning?	06:20
jalbert	ok when I mount it, then try to open it it tells me I don't have ebnough rights	06:20
jalbert	it still says it's owned by root	06:20
* genii hangs on a while longer		06:20
hydrogen	needs some umask stuff probably	06:21
jalbert	wait... no it doesn't	06:21
jalbert	one sec	06:21
* genii sips his coffee		06:21
jalbert	I'm going to post a screenshot	06:21
* genii refills the mug		06:21
genii	I suspect user/users or some uid crap needed	06:22
genii	I really hate ntfs	06:23
hydrogen	wouldn't be users	06:23
hydrogen	as he could mount it	06:23
genii	Weird, his fstab paste shows users there	06:23
genii	hydrogen: Yeah	06:23
jalbert	http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7789/sdb1propertiesfu8.png	06:24
hydrogen	kde still looks confused	06:25
jalbert	see where it says: /home/jalbert/<mount point>	06:25
jalbert	?	06:25
genii	Yes it thinks still on <mountpoint>	06:25
jalbert	why oh why?	06:25
* hydrogen suggests a windowsesque-copout		06:26
hydrogen	reboot!	06:26
jalbert	hehehe	06:26
Daisuke_Ido	genii: look closer again, not <mountpoint>	06:26
Daisuke_Ido	<mount point>	06:26
jalbert	I really don't think a rebot is going to do anything	06:26
jalbert	reboot	06:26
hydrogen	well	06:26
genii	jalbert: When you did: mount\|grep sdb1 command earlier it just came back to a command prompt, yes?	06:26
hydrogen	if its mounted somewhere	06:27
jalbert	lemme check...	06:27
genii	Daisuke_Ido: Ah, interesting	06:27
jalbert	yeah it did	06:27
* genii ponders mtab		06:27
XceII	I'm here to rock...help me out.	06:27
hydrogen	what happens if you run `ls /media/sdb1`	06:27
hydrogen	in konsole	06:27
jalbert	hehehe	06:28
jalbert	permission denied	06:28
XceII	oi	06:28
jalbert	sudo ls /media/sdb1	06:28
XceII	su -i rock	06:28
jalbert	well there it is	06:28
hydrogen	hmm	06:29
hydrogen	what does the `groups` command output?	06:29
genii	jalbert? : sudo gave a list	06:29
jalbert	yes	06:29
genii	bah	06:29
Jay-Oh-En	what's the best desktop environment?	06:29
hydrogen	also-- the output of ls -ld /media/sdb1	06:29
hydrogen	windows 3.1	06:29
XceII	jay..the one you pick	06:29
jalbert	it's an XP installation on there	06:30
jalbert	along with a bunch of other stuff	06:30
hydrogen	jalbert: paste the output of those two commands please	06:30
hydrogen	`groups` and `ls -ld /media/sdb1`	06:30
jalbert	ok	06:30
jalbert	jalbert adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin	06:31
hydrogen	okay	06:31
hydrogen	so thats fine	06:31
genii	hmm. His other ntfs drive has mount options: ntfs defaults,uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,nouser the sdb1 has: auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid	06:31
jalbert	dr-x------ 1 root root 24576 2007-11-14 23:37 /media/sdb1	06:31
hydrogen	theres the problem.	06:31
jalbert	root	06:31
XceII	genii: Rocks.	06:31
hydrogen	what does it show if you unmount it?	06:31
hydrogen	umount /dev/sdb1 && ls -ld /media/sdb1	06:32
genii	the chown :plugdev apparently did not take	06:32
jalbert	jalbert@c-24-13-105-49sys:~$ umount /media/sdb1	06:32
jalbert	jalbert@c-24-13-105-49sys:~$ ls -ld /media/sdb1	06:32
jalbert	drwxr-xr-x 2 root plugdev 4096 2007-12-12 00:07 /media/sdb1	06:32
hydrogen	okay	06:33
genii	Good	06:33
hydrogen	so	06:33
hydrogen	its the mask on mounting	06:33
hydrogen	try setting uid=1000,gid=1000	06:33
hydrogen	in fstab	06:33
hydrogen	in the options column	06:33
genii	Also I'd say change the one "auto" by itself to ntfs	06:34
jalbert	ok so I have to open fstab in nano?	06:34
hydrogen	no	06:34
hydrogen	any editor	06:34
genii	heh	06:34
jalbert	kate?	06:34
hydrogen	you can use kateif you want	06:35
hydrogen	kdesu kate /etc/fstab	06:35
genii	kdesu kate	06:35
jalbert	I just did "sudo kate fstab"	06:35
jalbert	I mean /etc/fstab	06:35
genii	hydrogen, jalbert I gotta go	06:36
hydrogen	its better to use kdesu	06:36
hydrogen	cu genii	06:36
jalbert	ok	06:36
genii	DONT use sudo for gui stuff	06:36
jalbert	thanks genii	06:36
genii	bleh	06:36
jalbert	ok	06:36
genii	jalbert: I'll be around tomorrow if it still a headache but i think you'll get it now	06:36
genii	hydrogen Gnite	06:36
jalbert	ok	06:36
jalbert	thanks	06:37
XceII	nite genii	06:37
jalbert	I might be around in the evening, though I still have a bit of xmas sbhopping to hopping to do	06:37
jalbert	xmas shopping	06:37
jalbert	I'm gonna go hopping and schbopping	06:38
jalbert	anyway	06:38
jalbert	what do I have to change in there?	06:38
jalbert	edit this? /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0	06:38
XceII	Xmas is not about purchasing..its about helping.	06:39
jalbert	hydrogen: what do I edit in here?	06:40
import	need some help wine needs this and i dont know where to get it install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables	06:44
import	anyone here?	06:48
mox69	hi	06:49
import	mox69 hey	06:49
import	can ya help me?	06:49
mox69	import: what ya trying to do?	06:49
import	above	06:49
import	install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables	06:49
import	its for wine	06:49
mox69	ahh	06:50
mox69	hmm well	06:50
import	i did apt-get install mono but it still wont work	06:50
mox69	your gonna need to get an .exe file im sure	06:50
mox69	mono = run .net on linux	06:50
import	aww	06:50
mox69	so you technically want the .net runtime environment 2.0	06:50
progmanos	has anyone managed to successfully install kde4 rc2 on gutsy?	06:50
import	so i need to wine mono to get it work	06:50
mox69	mono lets you run .net stuff without wine	06:50
mox69	does that make sense?	06:50
emilsedgh	import: mono is for writing programs, not running them	06:51
import	yep	06:51
emilsedgh	i think	06:51
import	i need the runtime	06:51
mox69	mono is the linux version of the .net runtime	06:51
mox69	since your in wine, you still want the windows version	06:51
mox69	now I have NO idea if .NET 2,0 will install / run in wine	06:51
import	mox 69 im getting mono-runtime see if that works	06:51
mox69	ok	06:52
progmanos	i have an error (I'm assuming the package is at fault) kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 will not install	06:52
hellonull	where do you enable nvidia drivers in kubuntu 7.10 w/ rc2?	06:52
mox69	import: check here http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3754	06:52
mox69	thats what you need	06:52
progmanos	Here's the output of aptitude: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin	06:52
emilsedgh	!brokenkde4 \| progmanos	06:53
ubotu	progmanos: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	06:53
import	thank you	06:53
progmanos	will try	06:53
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import	thank you again	06:57
import	its working nicely	06:58
hellonull	!nvidia	06:58
ubotu	To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto	06:58
progmanos	thanks, ubotu	07:06
progmanos	that worked	07:06
hellonull	lol ubotu is a bot :-P	07:07
progmanos	lol	07:08
mox69	he still appreciates praise im sure :)	07:08
progmanos	;-)	07:09
progmanos	kudos to whoever wrote the bot's response	07:09
progmanos	:-)	07:10
ere4si	ubotu is wise	07:17
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about is wise - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	07:17
progmanos	classic	07:17
progmanos	lol	07:17
TheFishy	I change my kde login manager GUI to something different and it doesn't change, anyone know how to fix this?	07:18
TheFishy	anyone?	07:20
LimCore	TheFishy: kdm gdm	07:20
LimCore	/etc/init.d/gdm stop then ....../kdm start	07:20
TheFishy	no such dir	07:20
progmanos	ah, tracked down the author of the ubotu response to my post. it's ljl . found at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi?search=kde4	07:21
LimCore	TheFishy: install kdm	07:21
progmanos	kudos to ljl	07:21
TheFishy	it ia	07:22
TheFishy	it is*	07:22
TheFishy	brb	07:22
ansk-ri	i'm having problem with my wireless connection	07:31
flake	is there a way to set up the soundcard to mix audio so I can avoid those /dev/dsp: Device busy or resource.. ?	07:32
TheFishy	so after struggling with apt to work... had some errors with it	07:35
TheFishy	it gives me and i quote	07:35
TheFishy	"kdm is already the newest version."	07:35
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mox69	what are you trying to do Fishy?	07:41
mcquaid	is there a kde app for editing id3 tags of mp3s?	07:48
qutoz	hi, I need to login as postgres user without login as root first, I tried to make that but it keep asking me about the password	07:50
Jay-Oh-En	how do i install ubuntu desktop?	07:52
emilsedgh	mcquaid: there is, search kde-apps.org for it	07:52
mcquaid	i am can't find it	07:52
emilsedgh	!info ubuntu-desktop \| Jay-Oh-En	07:52
ubotu	jay-oh-en: ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.79 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 48 kB	07:52
mcquaid	well i see a qt4 app, hoping there's something in the ubnuntu packages	07:53
emilsedgh	Jay-Oh-En: just install it using adept or apt-get	07:53
mcquaid	thought there might be a popular one for kde like easytag for gnome	07:53
emilsedgh	mcquaid: let me search	07:53
Stevethepirate	Easytag works I think	07:53
Stevethepirate	!id3	07:53
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about id3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	07:53
ardchoille	!info kid3	07:54
ubotu	kid3: KDE MP3 ID3 tag editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 320 kB, installed size 1092 kB	07:54
ardchoille	mcquaid: ^^	07:54
ardchoille	Though, easytag is pretty nice	07:54
emilsedgh	and theres a kmp3tag...wow many applications for that purpose	07:55
mcquaid	cool, well i'll give those two a try if not it's easytag	07:55
Jay-Oh-En	how come firefox is slow on KDE	07:58
Stevethepirate	Um. its not really.	07:59
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: You mean takes a while to launch?	07:59
Stevethepirate	Still about 40% faster than on windows Xp on the same PC	07:59
Jay-Oh-En	ardchoille: no like overall and yes it takes a while to launch too	08:00
Stevethepirate	The loading time is marginally slower	08:00
Stevethepirate	but actual running	08:00
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: Enable pipelining. In ff, type "about:config" into the location bar, then type "pipelin" into the config bar and change the pipelining and proxy.pipelining to "true" and the maxrequests to 8. Restart and it should be faster.	08:01
ubuntu	Installing Kubuntu, wewt.	08:01
stanley	hi there	08:02
ubuntu	Hey.	08:02
stanley	does anyone have instructions on how to install firefox 2.0.0.11 in kubuntu?//	08:02
Stevethepirate	stanley: sudo apt-get install firefox	08:02
ubuntu	Beat me to it.	08:02
ardchoille	stanley: It's in the repos	08:02
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stanley	i have downloaded the tar zip and extracted the files to my home folder under a folder called firefox	08:03
Stevethepirate	With (k)Ubuntu, I need a way to merge 2 networks via a single PC so that PC's on both sides of the bridge [as such] have access to the primary PC, and all PC's on the internal side [as such] have access directly to all the PC's on the external side..	08:03
Stevethepirate	So basically: External <---> PC <---> Internal	08:03
Stevethepirate	External + Internal need access to "PC"	08:03
Stevethepirate	Internal needs access to External	08:03
Stevethepirate	External does not neccessarily need direct (all port) access to Internal, but certain ports do need to be forwarded to specific Internal PC's	08:03
ardchoille	stanley: How's that for simple instructions? lol	08:03
qutoz	hi, I need to login as postgres user without login as root first, I tried to make that but it keep asking me about the password	08:03
GradeFPoultry	Stanley: Just type sudo apt-get install firefox, and it should do all the work for you.	08:03
stanley	ardchoille: tried that but i get this message	08:03
mox69	steve: do you have 2 network cards in the pc...	08:04
stanley	v	08:04
stanley	Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.	08:04
stanley	This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or	08:04
stanley	is only available from another source	08:04
stanley	E: Package firefox has no installation candidate	08:04
ardchoille	stanley: Are you on Gutsy?	08:05
stanley	yes 7.10	08:05
stanley	i just downloaded and installed it on Mon	08:05
ardchoille	stanley: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?	08:05
ardchoille	!pastebin \| stanley	08:05
ubotu	stanley: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)	08:05
stanley	actually this is my first time using Kubuntu or linux	08:05
mox69	stan: open a terminal	08:06
stanley	mox69: done	08:06
mox69	type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"	08:06
ardchoille	stanley: Open konqueror and type in: file://etc/apt/sources.list	08:06
Jay-Oh-En	ardchoille: what about it using a lot of my system stuff	08:06
ardchoille	stanley: Open konqueror and type in: file:///etc/apt/sources.list	08:06
ardchoille	stanley: The copy/paste that into pastebin	08:06
mox69	stan: or do what ardch says, proally easier	08:07
stanley	mox69: it says no such file or directory	08:07
GradeFPoultry	This is a really stupid question, but how to I view a list of servers in Konversation?	08:07
ardchoille	stanley: Are you sure you put the path i correctly?	08:08
Jay-Oh-En	ardchoille: it uses alot of memory	08:08
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: firefox has many known memory leaks	08:08
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: And using certain, or too many, extensions can slow it down and eat more memory	08:09
Cold_Inz	Anyone know how to fix the system freeze wich is caused by superkaramba ? (can move mouse, and superkaramba gadgets keep running, x-org takes 99-100% cpu) "fixed" when not using superkaramba so it's either the problem or it's triggering something in the xorg, haven't seen it otherwise	08:09
stanley	ardchoille: file:///etc/apt/sources.list -> no souch file or directory	08:09
Cold_Inz	also alot of others having the same problems when searching google, but none come up with a fix other than to stop using superkaramba	08:09
ardchoille	stanley: That would explain why you can't install anything	08:10
ardchoille	!source-o-matic \| stanley	08:10
ubotu	stanley: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic	08:10
mox69	cold inz: goto a terminal and type: rm -r .qt	08:10
mox69	and get used to doing that every time you boot :)	08:11
mox69	kill and restart superkaramba as well	08:11
ardchoille	mox69: or put a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart	08:11
mox69	err do: rm -r ~/.qt	08:11
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stanley	ardchoille: it ubuntu, i am on kubuntu...no diff yes?	08:11
ardchoille	stanley: No diff, they both use the same repo list	08:12
Cold_Inz	or put it in rc scrit. anyways, what exactly is causing it ?	08:12
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zekix	plop	08:12
zekix	hi all	08:12
zekix	gentoo?	08:12
ardchoille	No, kubuntu	08:13
zekix	# tribugentoo	08:13
stanley	ardchoille: i get a konqueror4ZCM3b.tmp file which opened in Kate	08:13
homercycles	Help! I'm installing kubuntu (7.10) and it's at 82% saying "Configuring apt" and "scanning the mirror..." but isn't getting anywhere. I'm still using the install/live CD to use Konversation to be in this chat room. Thanks	08:13
zekix	#tribugentoo	08:13
ardchoille	stanley: How did you get that?	08:13
Cold_Inz	mox69: do you know what exactly is causing the freezeup ? what in .qt/ is making it happen ?	08:14
stanley	i clicked on the Create Sources List buttonon the website you gave	08:14
zekix	kubuntu fr?	08:14
ardchoille	stanley: Ah, ok, you need to save that file somewhere but give it the name "sources.list" (without quotes), then open a terminal and do: sudo cp /wherever/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list	08:15
ardchoille	stanley: When that is done, you need to update your sources with: sudo apt-get update	08:16
ardchoille	stanley: Then you should be good to go	08:16
mox69	cold_inz: i really don;t know , but superkaramba does something to a file in that directory that causes all of my GUI programs to spike to 99%	08:16
mox69	cold_inz: I tried to figure out why, but never really could. The problem will go away after you rm that directory and restart the slow / hung apps	08:16
Cold_Inz	mox69: hm ok at least I got something to work on now, thanks !	08:17
mox69	and it went away forever when i un-installed superkaramba and Baghira	08:17
stanley	silly me...i am supposed to replace /wherever with the path of the sources.list on my system right>?	08:17
ardchoille	mox69: baghira works great here, no spikes	08:17
ardchoille	stanley: replace wherever with wherever you saved it	08:18
egonw	questions about the KDE4RC2 can you go here? if so, anyone reported a overwrite problem when installing kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 yet?	08:18
mox69	ya i think it was more superkaramba	08:18
hellonull	egonw: yeah i think i saw someone in here with that earlier	08:18
hellonull	!brokenkde4 \| egonw	08:19
ubotu	egonw: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	08:19
ardchoille	stanley: Did you understand that?	08:19
Cold_Inz	mox69: I think it's a version of either QT or xorg not very happy amongst superkaramba applications or something, so some people don't have the problem because of that, but that's just my theory	08:19
stanley	ardchoille: and mox69 a whole bunch of stuff is appearing on the console window	08:19
stanley	looks like it's downloading	08:19
ardchoille	stanley: is it doing "ignore" or "hit" ?	08:20
egonw	hellonull: OK, giving that a try...	08:20
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stanley	it's doing "Get"	08:20
=== Zakon is now known as Zachon
ardchoille	stanley: Good	08:20
=== Zachon is now known as Cold_Inz
egonw	hellonull: I think I understand the problem...	08:21
mox69	Cold_Inz: yep I am pretty sure its something with QT or X, but was never really able to track it down	08:21
stanley	finished now. but just some errors about index files	08:21
ardchoille	stanley: Can you pastebin those errors?	08:21
stanley	downloading firefox files	08:21
stanley	err...sorry i have not used pastebin before	08:22
mox69	stan: if the error is a line or two just copy/past in here	08:22
mox69	stan: say less than 50 words	08:22
ardchoille	stanley: It may have failed to fetch sources lists, no problem there, you can update again later. If it persists, then you might post back here	08:22
stanley	E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.	08:23
ardchoille	Right, that can happen	08:23
ardchoille	Just update again later. Which ones failed?	08:23
stanley	I am sure these instructions (like sources.list) are somewhere in a Knowledgebase yes?	08:23
ardchoille	!repos \| stanley	08:24
ubotu	stanley: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu	08:24
stanley	deb.opera.com etch	08:24
stanley	that failed	08:24
ardchoille	stanley: You should not be using any debian source4s at all, that can hose your system	08:24
ardchoille	stanley: You should only be using ubuntu sources	08:24
mox69	kubuntu isn't binary compatable with debian...?	08:25
ardchoille	stanley: Can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?	08:25
stanley	ardchoille: but it got downloaded already	08:25
ardchoille	mox69: it's very dangerous	08:25
stanley	can it be removed? BTW firefox is up and running	08:25
mox69	hmm :) alright i should remember that	08:25
ardchoille	stanley: Can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?	08:25
stanley	how do i do that please?	08:25
ardchoille	stanley: Open konqueror and type in: file:///etc/apt/sources.list	08:26
ardchoille	stanley: Then copy and paste that into http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org	08:26
ardchoille	Then give us the url	08:27
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stanley	paste ok URL http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47930/	08:28
egonw	hellonull: that helped! thanx!	08:28
cpk1	argh whats the proposed updates repo?	08:29
hellonull	np egonw	08:29
ardchoille	stanley: Remove lines 29 - 31 and save.	08:29
ardchoille	stanley: Then: sudo apt-get update	08:29
ardchoille	stanley: Correction, remove lines 29 - 35 and save	08:30
ardchoille	stanley: You should only use ubuntu sources and then only the sources for your release (using edgy sources in gutsy is bad)	08:31
stanley	ardchoille: i have 3 versions of sources.list files	08:31
Aut0zz	how long should it take kubuntu to boot up, jus trying to test not install	08:32
ardchoille	stanley: You can only use one at a time, if you mix releases or distros you're only gonna cause yourself problems	08:32
stanley	sources.list, sources.listd sources.listdistUpgrade	08:32
stanley	ardchoille: lines 29 to 31 deleted	08:34
ardchoille	stanley: delete the edgy sources too	08:34
stanley	arrghhh...i cant save the file	08:35
ardchoille	the last three lines I believe it was	08:35
ardchoille	stanley: kdesudo /etc/apt/sources.list	08:35
ardchoille	stanley: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list	08:35
ardchoille	stanley: Be careful with that kate editor, it's running as admin user, so watch what you're doing while it's open.	08:36
stanley	can i remove the other 2 sources.list files?	08:37
ardchoille	stanley: Leave them for now, they aren't hurting anything and they aren't being used.	08:38
ardchoille	stanley: It's a good idea to take care of the current sources.list file first, then decide if you want to delete the others.	08:38
stanley	ok	08:38
stanley	thank you so much	08:38
ardchoille	yw :)	08:39
apparle	ardchoille: Thanks for yesterday	08:39
apparle	:D	08:39
stanley	if i ever have to do a ./configuration on any package, does kubuntu have the gcc compiler already?>	08:39
ardchoille	stanley: Any time you finish editing the sources.list, you need to update your sources with: sudo apt-get update	08:39
stanley	or do i have to download it?	08:39
stanley	yes doing the update now	08:40
ardchoille	stanley: I've never had to compile. But if you do, you'll need to install build-essential	08:40
ardchoille	stanley: The ubuntu repos are huge :)	08:40
ardchoille	apparle: yw :)	08:40
stanley	build-essential is an application i can download yes?/	08:41
ardchoille	Yes, it's the compiler and other tools you'll need to compile from source	08:41
hellonull	i'm a recent gnome convert... where in kubuntu do i go for user/group management?	08:42
ardchoille	hellonull: terminal?	08:43
stanley	does anyone have issues with Kopete 0.12.7 using the MSN plugin?	08:43
ardchoille	I don't know of any gui tools for that	08:43
homercycles	My system has onboard Realtek HD Audio and a PCI Soundblaster Live card (needed for strange speakers). Sound was working but after reboot/install of ati driver, sound isn't working. Is there a way to set the SB Live as my default sound output?	08:43
ardchoille	stanley: updating kopete shold fix that MSN problem	08:43
stanley	so i am not the only one	08:43
homercycles	The System Settings, Sound System, Hardware tab only lets me choose between various sound libraries, not hardware, alas	08:44
ardchoille	stanley: It's beginning to sound like you updated from an earlier release of ubuntu/kubuntu	08:44
stanley	ardchoille: nope, it's a fresh install	08:44
ardchoille	stanley: Please do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade	08:44
stanley	i cant even get ubuntu to work when i tried to burn the iso i downloaded	08:44
homercycles	strangely enough, it will let me choose the hardware for MIDI, just not normal sound	08:45
hellonull	stanley: did you do a checksum on the iso?	08:45
ardchoille	stanley: That will update your sources and then upgrade all of your apps to the latest versions	08:45
stanley	no i didnt download the checksum	08:45
stanley	after a few attempts i gave up and went with kubuntu	08:46
ardchoille	stanley: Always a good idea to checksum an iso, can save you from making coasters :)	08:46
stanley	which i must say has a pretty cool interface	08:46
hellonull	esp. if you download it via http	08:46
stanley	ardchoille: yes agree. I realised that only recently	08:46
stanley	the kde 4 rc2 iso has only the live version of kde 4 yes? does it also have the packages required to install kde 4?	08:49
homercycles	My system has onboard Realtek HD Audio and a PCI Soundblaster Live card (needed for strange speakers). Sound was working but after reboot/install of ati driver, sound isn't working. Is there a way to set the SB Live as my default sound output?	08:50
ardchoille	stanley: If this is your first week using Linux, then I would recommend you not using/installing kde4.. unless you plan to help squash lots of bugs :)	08:52
Stevethepirate	Widgets on my kde4 rc2 are like -stuck- in the middle of the screen	08:52
Stevethepirate	such failure	08:52
stanley	ardchoille: hahah...yes good idea	08:53
stanley	since there is the live cd I will just look at the interface	08:53
stanley	have you tired it?	08:53
ardchoille	I don't use beta software, I don't have the patience for it	08:54
stanley	oh ok	08:54
Tm_T	Stevethepirate: works fine here	08:55
apparle	ardchoille: I get this error while configuring source packages http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47931/	08:55
hellonull	Stevethepirate: mine are working fine, too	08:55
ardchoille	apparle: You probably need xserver-xorg-dev	08:56
ardchoille	apparle: What are you compiling?	08:56
homercycles	Adept seems to say that the latest Firefox is 2.0.0.6, but I've had 2.0.0.11 on Windows. Could the repository be out of date or something?	08:57
stanley	homercycles: with ardchoille's help i got 2.0.0.11 from the repository	08:58
stanley	using apt-get	08:58
ardchoille	homercycles: You're probably using an older kubuntu release. Open a terminal and type: lsb_release -a \| grep -i release	08:58
homercycles	No LSB modules are available. Release: 7.10	08:59
ardchoille	homercycles: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade	08:59
homercycles	I just installed it from the new 7.10 ISO I burnted a few weeks ago (failed install back then but had time today to get it working)	08:59
ardchoille	homercycles: Yeah, you need to update and upgrade. The apps in the repos have been updated since the iso was released	09:00
homercycles	will that tell me how much it's going to download before doing it?	09:00
ardchoille	homercycles: It will prompt you for confirmation, yes	09:00
homercycles	0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.	09:01
homercycles	strange	09:01
Stevethepirate	output ur sudo apt-get update to a pastebin plz	09:01
ardchoille	homercycles: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?	09:01
ardchoille	!pastebin \| homercycles	09:01
ubotu	homercycles: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)	09:01
homercycles	pastebin, now, that must be something that doesn't mean paste into IRC channel, I'm guessing (don't want to be naughty). What's pastebin?	09:02
homercycles	ah, thanks ubotu	09:02
mox69	paste to a html page	09:02
mox69	more or less	09:02
ardchoille	!thanks \| homercycles	09:02
ubotu	homercycles: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)	09:02
homercycles	what a nice bot :-)	09:02
apparle	ardchoille: I am compililing kdemltimedia package	09:03
ardchoille	apparle: Any reason you aren't installing it from the repos?	09:04
homercycles	An error occurred while loading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/:	09:04
homercycles	Unknown host paste.ubuntu-nl.org	09:04
homercycles	the only uncommented lines are as follows (I hope 2 lines are OK):	09:04
homercycles	deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe	09:04
homercycles	deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe	09:04
ardchoille	homercycles: You're missing multiverse	09:05
homercycles	I was able to get the main pastebin page working but the Paste! button returns an error	09:05
GreatBritain	homercycles: try www.pastebin.ca	09:05
homercycles	I did tick multiverse in adept but maybe it didn't save that. ticking it in adept updates sources.list?	09:05
ardchoille	homercycles: Here is a safe sources.list (mine) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47932/	09:06
homercycles	my internet must be frigged coz pastebin.ca and that sources.list won't load.	09:06
apparle	ardchoille: I have ATI drivers. Will it do if I download and install xserver-xorg-dev	09:06
ardchoille	apparle: *-dev are only development files used for compiling, it should be fine	09:07
GreatBritain	i have problems if i try to do the kde4 updates - kdm-kde4 doesn't seem to work - and it cauces some other broken packages - i had to remove launchpad from my sources to fix the problem.	09:07
ardchoille	apparle: Any reason you aren't installing it from the repos?	09:07
ardchoille	apparle: kdemultimedia is in the repos	09:08
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ardchoille	homercycles: What about: http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/?show=m236b8cc9	09:09
apparle	ardchoille: I have OSS sound drivers and Kmix is not working. I thought if I just compiled it maybe it will work	09:10
homercycles	sorry for the delay. I've just specified my ISP's DNS as my primary DNS. The internal DNS in my ADSL router is sub-par, I reckon. inspecting sources.list now. appreciate help :-) Thank you	09:10
ardchoille	apparle: You're call. I'm not much help with sound problems.	09:10
ardchoille	homercycles: yw	09:10
jussio1	stdin: ping	09:12
apparle	ardchoille :Unless you are developing or building a driver, you probably want xserver-xorg and/or xserver-xorg-core instead. what do I do	09:12
=== meduxa is now known as toscalix
ardchoille	apparle: I'm afraid I can't help with compiling, I've not had to compile in years :(	09:12
homercycles	could I just add "multiverse" to the end of my current deb line in sources.list to keep using my Australian mirror?	09:13
SatManUK	my master volume doesn't work on kmix - if i try to use the volume on my keyboard it freezes at 11% or 0 - or 100% - 89%	09:13
ardchoille	homercycles: You could do that, yes	09:13
ActionParsnip	hi all	09:13
ardchoille	homercycles: But remember to "sudo apt-get update" when finished editing	09:13
ardchoille	hi ActionParsnip	09:13
SatManUK	hey ActionParsnip thanks for your help yesterday mate we got the grraphics working smooth :)	09:13
homercycles	thanks, ardchoille. I am very grateful for your help (Windows has done me over for the last time! I swear!)	09:14
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: awesome dude, sweet move	09:14
ardchoille	homercycles: No problem :)	09:14
manuel_	i've got problems installing kde4 rc2: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 wants to overwrite /usr/bin/kwriteconfig. The solution posted in the ubuntuforums with purging all kde4 packages didn't work for me... any ideas?	09:14
apparle	ardchoille: bye the way how do I resolve this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47931/ I get it while developing in kdevelop	09:14
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: Nvidia kick ass with Linux	09:14
=== _czessi is now known as Czessi
SatManUK	im working on my own pc now having got my friends working smooth, i can't get the sound to adjust properly	09:14
ardchoille	apparle: You already asked me that	09:15
ActionParsnip	apparle: Install the xlibs-dev package	09:15
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: how do you mean adjust?	09:16
SatManUK	if i wanna reduce volume - its on the speakers - or in amarok	09:16
SatManUK	i mean up and down	09:16
SatManUK	if i use the sound on the keyboard - it sticks	09:16
homercycles	This kubuntu is turning out to be a real pleasure. "sudo vi" started doing strange things, even in insert mode, so I thought "hmm, nano is a nice editor on the Mac, I wonder if it's on Linux" so I type "sudo nano" and voilas! Nice, working, editor. Me very happy!	09:16
apparle	which one xlibs-dev or xserver-xorg-dev	09:16
ActionParsnip	xlibs-dev	09:16
ActionParsnip	sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev	09:17
apparle	ActionParsnip: that package doesnot exist for gutsy http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibs-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all	09:17
ActionParsnip	apparle: try xlibs-static-dev. If you dont get any further uninstall it	09:18
hellonull	ActionParsnip: you spoke of nvidia a few lines ago... do you per chance know how to enable the nvidia restricted drivers in kde 4 rc2?	09:19
homercycles	I updated my sources.list, did a sudo apt-get update and upgrade, but it still says nothing to be upgraded, etc... Here's my (working?) pastebin of the output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47933/	09:19
SatManUK	which volume is adjusted by clicking on the speaker and moving the volume up and down?	09:19
ActionParsnip	hellonull: i've not used kde4 yet	09:19
SatManUK	i can't kde4 to load..	09:20
ActionParsnip	homercycles: thats fine if there are no updates	09:20
ActionParsnip	homercycles: could try sudo apt-get distupgrade	09:21
homercycles	that sounds scarey	09:21
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: do you have sound at any level?	09:21
ActionParsnip	homercycles: it just updates all your packages but it appears you have all the latest updates	09:22
homercycles	somebody said previously that packages were update since the 7.10 ISO release (which I just installed). Seems strange that there are no packages to be updated	09:22
ardchoille	homercycles: There's no harm in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	09:22
apparle	ActionParsnip: i have ATI fglrx drivers will it make any diffrence	09:23
homercycles	dist-upgrade says 0 for all things, too	09:23
ActionParsnip	apparle: difference to what?	09:23
ActionParsnip	homercycles: try adding some more repositories but if there are 0 updates you are ok	09:24
homercycles	is there a sudo apt-get thingy to install Firefox?	09:25
apparle	ActionParsnip: any diffrent package	09:25
homercycles	2.0.0.11 that is	09:25
ardchoille	homercycles: you already have firefox, don't you?	09:25
homercycles	it's not on the default K Menu on this fresh install	09:25
ActionParsnip	homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox	09:25
ardchoille	homercycles: What is the output of: lsb_release -a \| grep -i release	09:26
* ardchoille is curious		09:26
homercycles	No LSB modules are available.	09:27
homercycles	Release: 7.10	09:27
ardchoille	homercycles: Weird	09:27
ActionParsnip	apparle: fire up adept and search for xlib	09:27
homercycles	I agree. very weird	09:27
SatManUK	ActionParsnip: i have sound	09:28
ardchoille	homercycles: and the output of: apt-cache policy firefox \| grep -i installed	09:28
SatManUK	if i open kmix i can adjust it that way - or i can adjust it through amarok or the playing application	09:28
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: ok cool, so the volume app doesnt change the level of volume	09:28
SatManUK	i just can't use the slider	09:28
apparle	ActionParsnip: I am a person without any connection with net at home	09:28
SatManUK	yes	09:28
homercycles	ardchoille: Installed: (none)	09:28
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: which slider?	09:28
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: the one in the bottom right?	09:28
ardchoille	homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox	09:29
SatManUK	when i press the volume on the keyboard it says on screen Volume: 100% in blue and white box with grey background	09:29
apparle	bye	09:29
apparle	bye	09:29
homercycles	ardchoille: it's downloading 26.6MB now... hope it's 2.0.0.11 :-)	09:29
homercycles	bugger.. it's 2.0.0.6	09:29
ardchoille	homercycles: Why on earth do you have a firefox menu item if it's not installed?	09:30
emilsedgh	SatManUK: right click on the mixer in tray and go to select master channel	09:30
homercycles	ardchoille: I don't have a Firefox menu item on the K Menu... but I would like one :-)	09:30
ardchoille	homercycles: my bad, I thought you had one	09:30
ActionParsnip	homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox	09:30
homercycles	ardchoille: you're forgiven. selflessly supporting newbs like me can't be all roses :-)	09:31
SatManUK	ok which to select PCM?	09:31
apparle	do I need a n ativirus I have dual boot with windows but without net connection	09:31
ardchoille	homercycles: lol	09:31
ardchoille	apparle: If yo have windows, you need anti-virus, IMHO	09:31
homercycles	lo and behold, I now have Firefox on the K menu, albeit a little out of date (it's better than no Firefox).	09:31
emilsedgh	SatManUK: open kmix window and see which works for you	09:31
apparle	what is IMHO	09:32
ardchoille	In My Honest Opinion	09:32
emilsedgh	apparle: not for your Kubuntu	09:32
emilsedgh	!virus \| apparle	09:32
ubotu	apparle: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21	09:32
Jay-Oh-En	is there a way to make kubuntu suspend	09:32
Jay-Oh-En	cuase i have a suspend key on my keyboard	09:32
ardchoille	emilsedgh: he has dual boot with windows	09:32
Jay-Oh-En	and i hate turning my computer off alot	09:32
SatManUK	in kmix both pcm and front adjust the sound	09:33
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: Is this a laptop?	09:33
emilsedgh	ardchoille: he needs a anti virus for his windows, not with linu	09:33
Jay-Oh-En	ardchoille: no	09:33
emilsedgh	+x	09:33
ardchoille	emilsedgh: yes	09:33
SatManUK	but whichever i select it still sticks	09:33
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: so the slider doesnt move?	09:33
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: I've never seen suspend on a desktop box	09:33
apparle	I have a nice one on Windows but should also install one on linux	09:34
SatManUK	i can move it with the mouse	09:34
Jay-Oh-En	ardchoille: well my keyboard has the button (then you obviously havent seen a viao)	09:34
SatManUK	but the up and down buttons on the keyboard freeze	09:34
neville__	AVG Free is the best one for Linux	09:34
neville__	Er	09:34
neville__	Windows**	09:34
neville__	-_-v	09:34
neville__	Sorry	09:34
Jay-Oh-En	neville__: amen to that brotha	09:34
apparle	neville__: what about avast free	09:34
Jay-Oh-En	apparle: that never worked for me	09:35
homercycles	Quick question, if I may. Can anybody recommend a good IM program that supports MSN protocol without SEGVing all the time like Kopete?	09:35
Tm_T	homercycles: Kopete works fine here	09:35
Jay-Oh-En	apparle: the reason i got away from windows is cause of the viruses and the restrictions	09:35
Tm_T	homercycles: can you provide any debug output?	09:35
apparle	bye	09:35
Tm_T	homercycles: install kdenetwork-dbg and then rerun Kopete from Konsole	09:35
homercycles	Tm_T: let me log into hotmail first to make sure it's not something sillly like wrong password	09:35
neville__	Haven't tried avast free, but I can give it a go next time I load my Windows vm =]	09:36
=== kde4 is now known as buz_kde4
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: so you have configured your volume keyboard functions to change volume but if you change it with the mouse they become unfunctional? I'm trying to work this one out	09:37
SatManUK	no..	09:38
SatManUK	i just installed the system and it autodetected	09:38
homercycles	Tm_T: my pastebin now contains the crash from Kopete: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47935	09:38
SatManUK	when i press the volume on the keyboard on screen it reports whatever level the speaker volume is in the system tray	09:38
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: ok	09:39
SatManUK	but when i try to change it with the keyboard it sticks	09:39
ActionParsnip	what sticks?	09:39
SatManUK	if i change it with the mouse its fine	09:39
SatManUK	the volume level	09:39
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: sorry im slow. bit of a cold	09:39
SatManUK	it says 100% - it won't go below 89%	09:39
SatManUK	its ok :)	09:39
SatManUK	if its at 0 - it won't go above 11%	09:39
Jay-Oh-En	can somebody help me get my box to suspend	09:40
Tm_T	homercycles: 1135.50 < Tm_T> homercycles: install kdenetwork-dbg and then rerun Kopete from Konsole	09:40
SatManUK	i don't even know which volume the keyboard is changing it seems its neither pcm or front	09:41
homercycles	Tm_T: apt-get says I need to download 81.8MB of dependent packages first.... it'll be a while :-)	09:41
Tm_T	homercycles: aye	09:41
homercycles	is there a KDE-specific channel where I can ask my pedantic little GUI questions?	09:42
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: you are not alone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723	09:42
Tm_T	homercycles: #kde ?	09:44
homercycles	silly me :-) thanks (been a while since I IRC'd)	09:44
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10258905/kmilo_3.5.8-0ubuntu1_i386.deb seems to make it work if you scroll toward the bottom	09:45
munhoe	hi folks, i installed the kde4 rc2 packages before i installed the rest of the updates (EEK). it's now giving some errors installing kdebase-runtime-bin. any idea how i can fix this?	09:47
ActionParsnip	munhoe: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade might help (not sure)	09:48
Stevethepirate	!socks	09:48
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about socks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	09:48
emilsedgh	!brokenkde4 \| munhoe	09:48
ubotu	munhoe: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l \| grep "4:3.97.0" \|awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal	09:48
SatManUK	im trying that now	09:49
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: its a file some dude made so its not garunteed :(	09:49
SatManUK	wierd thing is i have to patch this pc - but the one i was working on yesterday doesn't need no path ..	09:50
SatManUK	strange..	09:50
munhoe	ActionParsnip: nopes, that didn't help.	09:50
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: are they the same make / model?	09:50
SatManUK	ok - lets try it..	09:50
ActionParsnip	munhoe: not sure then, sorry	09:50
SatManUK	my connection sucks - downloading at 1.4k/s	09:50
munhoe	emilsedgh: it still says unmet dependencies :(	09:50
emilsedgh	munhoe: dunno then :(	09:51
ActionParsnip	munhoe: you could check the deps and apt them in manually	09:51
munhoe	ActionParsnip: oohh.... cool. lemme try	09:51
SatManUK	reinstalling kmilio as we speak	09:53
SatManUK	this must be some big changes - md hd light is on solid	09:53
mike	Hello all anyone able to help me with ndiswrapper,installed .inf etc ok but "access point" cannot be found?	09:53
ActionParsnip	mike: did you modprobe ndiswrapper	09:53
mike	yes	09:54
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: weird stuff, hope it works	09:54
Jay-Oh-En	hey can somebody answer this question? when my computer is locked is it not using as much power as it would when it would be regularly on	09:54
ActionParsnip	mike: what do yo get from ifconfig	09:54
Stevethepirate	Hi.. I need a DC++ hub/server... for (k)ubuntu	09:55
mike	ActionParsnip: can see wlano	09:55
SatManUK	i got as far as installing package 0%..	09:55
SatManUK	ah 100%	09:55
munhoe	ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47938/	09:55
SatManUK	no joy	09:55
munhoe	ActionParsnip: it's trying to overwrite an existing stuff.	09:55
ActionParsnip	!valknut	09:56
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about valknut - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	09:56
Stevethepirate	ActionParsnip: thats a client.	09:56
Stevethepirate	I need a server/hub.	09:56
ActionParsnip	Stevethepirate: let me google	09:57
SatManUK	im trying the kmilo version from hardy its supposed to work	09:57
mike	ActionParsnip: problem,,	09:58
mike	root@mike-laptop:~# iwlist wlan0 scan	09:58
mike	wlan0 No scan results	09:58
ActionParsnip	mike: you on a laptop?	09:58
mike	yes	09:59
mike	had it working	09:59
ActionParsnip	!YnHub \| Stevethepirate	09:59
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about ynhub - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	09:59
ActionParsnip	mike: is the little switch to turn the wifi on/off in the on position?	10:00
homercycles	Does anybody know how to change the default sound card in Kubuntu 7.10? I have an onboard and an SBLive and I need the SBLive to be the default	10:00
ActionParsnip	Stevethepirate: check ynhub	10:00
ActionParsnip	mike: why are you running stuff as root?	10:00
mike	ActionParsnip: yes i had wifi working but not on reboot	10:01
mike	oh #not needed?	10:01
ActionParsnip	mike no not really	10:01
mike	install as user?	10:02
ActionParsnip	mike: if the card is present you dont need root privs	10:02
ActionParsnip	mike: you could edit /etc/network/interfaces as root and manually enter your wlan info	10:03
SatManUK	is it possible to use keytouch or i forgot the application name insteald of kmilo?	10:03
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: not sure man, You'll have to have a google	10:04
mike	ActionParsnip: ok not sure what to enter ,,no wep etc ,,just dhcp	10:04
SatManUK	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283546	10:05
ActionParsnip	mike: auto wlan0 <new line> iface wlan0 inet dhcp	10:05
ActionParsnip	mike: you'll then need sudo ifdown wlan0	10:07
ActionParsnip	mike: then ifup wlan0	10:07
SatManUK	how to disable kmilo in favour of keytouch - there is nothing in kcontrol about it	10:09
homercycles	when I try to run "sudo asoundconf set-default-card Live" to change my default sound card (I did a Google search on it) and just says that it may have unintended consequences and never asks me for my password, so I guess it's just not letting me run the command. What gives?	10:10
ActionParsnip	mike: you'll also have to add wireless-essid <your wireless SSID here>	10:10
ActionParsnip	mike: forgot that	10:10
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: you could uninstall kmilo (thats a guess)	10:12
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: you need kmilo installed too for it to work	10:12
waylandbill	homercycles: you know you can switch sound cards, by changing the device in the sound system in the system settings right?	10:13
kristina	hi, I just read that the kde4 rc2 live cd includes a konqueror+webkit preview, does this mean that kubuntu is going with webkit in the future?	10:13
SatManUK	so keytouch uses kmilo?	10:13
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: i think so, not sure	10:13
homercycles	system settings, sound system, I presume?	10:13
homercycles	it only allows me to change sound cards for MIDI	10:13
waylandbill	homercycles: right. under advanced.	10:13
waylandbill	excuse me.. hardware.	10:14
homercycles	only have general and hardware tabs for Sound System	10:14
waylandbill	look for "Override device location"	10:14
homercycles	I get choices of ALSA, Enlightenment Sound System, etc... they don't list Realtek HD Audio or Soundblaster Live	10:14
homercycles	there's a tick box and a text box, but I haven't got a clue what the /dev would be for the SBLive	10:14
waylandbill	the default is /dev/dsp. The second would be /dev/dsp1.	10:14
mikelapy	wlan is working,,many thanks :)	10:15
ActionParsnip	mikelapy: all good?	10:16
mikelapy	awsm :)	10:16
waylandbill	homercycles: I know that's not as simple as a one-click app, but it works just fine.	10:16
homercycles	change to /dev/dsp1 and it restarted the sound system. still no sound, though :-(	10:16
ActionParsnip	mikelapy: yeah sometimes the scan is weird. take control yourself :) (easier)	10:16
homercycles	strange thing is that I heard the KDE logon/logoff sounds first boot after install, then I accepted the offer to install ATI video drivers, rebooted, then sound didn't work :-(	10:16
ActionParsnip	mikelapy: use folks names too so we know who you are addressing :). You can use tab to autocomplete	10:17
mikelapy	ActionParsnip: agree,,making notes :)	10:17
waylandbill	ok. does kmix allow you to see the volume settings for that card?	10:17
mikelapy	ActionParsnip: oh ok	10:17
homercycles	HDA Intel is the default sound but it does let me choose and adjust sound for SBLive, but I can't hear anything	10:18
mikelapy	homercycles: I installed latest alsa drivers	10:19
homercycles	In Windows I have to tick the box that says "digital output only" because this SB Live sound card is "special" that sends digital output over the analog channel for my Boston speakers. I wonder if there's some option to enable digital for analog output?	10:19
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SatManUK	ActionParsnip: i purged kmilo - installed keytouch and all is good :)	10:25
ActionParsnip	SatManUK: brilliant :D	10:26
SatManUK	i need to configure keytouch to use amarok - its loading xmms but thats all..	10:26
xRaich[o]2x	hi. kwin-kde4 (kubuntu rc2) does not recognize when i'm issuing a ctrl+anykey or alt+anykey command. yesterday it worked. any ideas?	10:27
waylandbill	is there a way to make dual head monitors do one virtual desktop on one screen and another on the other?	10:27
homercycles	I just rebooted into Windows to confirm sound/speakers were working, then rebooted into Linux, no sound, chose Auto Detect and got rid of the /dev/dsp1 override, restarted sound system, and now the sound works.... Strange, but I guess I should be happy now	10:27
waylandbill	homercycles: good. at least it's working. :)	10:28
homercycles	waylandbill: sound was going to be my stumbling block in my escape from Windows... so I'm understandably please I can at least listen to music in Linux :-)	10:28
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: does xev react when you press the keys?	10:29
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: i can detach screens using strg+a+d so X does not seem to be the problem	10:29
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: yes it reacts	10:30
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: is your keyboard in the right region?	10:31
david__	hi!!	10:31
david__	I need a little bit of help...	10:32
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: yes	10:32
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: is it bound to a keyboard shortcut?	10:32
david__	I tried to install the RC2 of kde4 but it gives me an error	10:32
=== icewater1an is now known as icewaterman
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: where do i check that?	10:33
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79560&page=1	10:33
david__	have anyone succesfully installed the kde4 rc2 packages with no problem?	10:34
zeEez	Did anyone install the KDE4 RC2 packages ? kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 broke my software index :(	10:34
zeEez	david__: :)	10:35
david__	I'm having the same issue xDD	10:35
ActionParsnip	zeEez: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-337669.html	10:36
SatManUK	i couldn't install rc1.. so i won't install rc2 just yet then..	10:36
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: nope no bindings	10:36
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: hmmm. do some googling around. Thats all i could find. Does it work after a reboot?	10:37
Csigaa	hi	10:37
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: i logged out and logged in again. and as i mentioned before it's just kwin. so rebooting wouldn	10:39
xRaich[o]2x	't help	10:39
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: it may as your bios will redetect the keyboard	10:39
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: but the keys work. it's just kwin that does not recognize them. i can use them on screen inside of kde4	10:40
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: strange	10:41
david__	I fixed the index but I interested in install those kde4 packages	10:41
zeEez	ActionParsnip: Thanks for the hint also it doesn't seem to apply in my case. There is no .postrm file for the offending package	10:42
xRaich[o]2x	xRaich[o]2x: i'm running irssi inside a kde4-konsole and i can detach it anytime i want.	10:42
xRaich[o]2x	woops that was to ActionParsnip	10:42
jussio1	hmmm, does anyone know the correct md5sum for the kde4 rc2 live cd advertised in /topic ??	10:42
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: not sure then. Very weird	10:43
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: ok. i'll try the hard way. rm .kde* ^^	10:43
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: just rename it	10:43
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: then you can revert back	10:44
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: mv .kde .kde_old	10:44
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: not needed. this computer is a kde4 playground ;)	10:44
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: i won'T lose anything important	10:44
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: ok cool	10:44
ActionParsnip	zeEez: what do you get when youtry update?	10:45
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: hmm still doesn't work... but i have an idea	10:46
homercycles	Does anybody know how to tell the taskbar applet in the panel in Kubuntu to stop fading the text for each item? I've asked in #kde but they say this isn't standard KDE behaviour, so Kubuntu must have turned it on for some reason.	10:47
Tm_T	homercycles: what exactly you mean? do you have a pic?	10:49
homercycles	I'll take a pic when they fade and show you... they fade progressively the longer you haven't had focus on the application	10:50
* Tm_T never seen that I assume		10:50
Csigaa	homer: looking forward to the screenshot... I've never seen anything like that either	10:51
=== asanchez__ is now known as alejandro
Csigaa	are you sure that ALL of them fade?	10:52
zeEez	ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/ma713241	10:52
Csigaa	for example, amarok has a dynamic trayicon, which shows the progress in the current playing song	10:52
homercycles	most of them seem to fade, but recently-focused items are darker	10:53
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: got it. i installed some of the old kde4*-data packages yesterday. after removing them it works again ^^	10:54
ActionParsnip	zeEez: does sudo apt-get -f install do anything	10:54
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: sweet :D	10:54
Csigaa	homercycles: have you been recently messing with the KDE settings?	10:54
Csigaa	homercycles: or that was present from the beginning?	10:54
homercycles	Csigaa: nope... it was like that from the beginning.	10:55
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: maybe someone should kick them out of the repo just to be safe ^^	10:55
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: blacklist :D	10:55
homercycles	OK. Here's the screenshot showing the faded taskbar applications: http://www.marcfearby.com/snapshot1.png	10:56
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: i'm not really familiar with the apt system ;) i really need a good resource how to work with it ;)	10:56
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: man apt ;)	10:57
Tm_T	homercycles: have you checked your settings twice?	10:57
homercycles	Tm_T: well, I can't find an option anywhere that says "fade taskbar icons" so I'd like to disable such a thing if I could find it, but there is no such option that I know of	10:58
zeEez	ActionParsnip: It returns the same output i posted..	10:58
Tm_T	homercycles: fiddle about other settings :)	10:58
homercycles	that sounds like a recipe for carpal tunnel syndrome if ever I've heard one :-)	10:59
ActionParsnip	zeEez: ok	10:59
homercycles	there are quite a few settings that obviously having nothing to do with fading taskbar icons, so there's no point in toggling them	10:59
Csigaa	homercycles: I think this is default (the inactive elements show brighter). The "fading" can be an optical illusion due the gradient color of the kicker	11:00
homercycles	there is an option to fade applet handles, but not applications in the taskbar	11:00
Csigaa	set up a solid color or transparency for the panel	11:01
homercycles	Csigaa: it's no optical illusion. There are icons in my taskbar that have definitely faded and I find it difficult to read. I don't want to have to keep clicking on them to make them brighter all the time	11:01
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: do you have a running okular?	11:01
homercycles	transparency makes it even harder to read	11:01
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: no its just how my trousers sit	11:02
ActionParsnip	!okular	11:02
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about okular - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	11:02
ActionParsnip	xRaich[o]2x: looks like a unified file viewer but i dont have it	11:03
david__	oh oh, I try to update but something bad happened	11:03
xRaich[o]2x	ActionParsnip: jep it is. but i don't get it to work	11:04
david__	it says: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.22.9-rt-custom,	11:04
david__	when updating the initframs, but that kernel was removed long ago	11:04
_Csigaa	re... disconnect :/	11:05
david__	this happens when doing: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	11:05
david__	how can I remove the opcion to update-initframs for that kernel which doesn't exist anymore?	11:06
ActionParsnip	david__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3928596	11:06
_Csigaa	david__: did you do apt-get remove --purge linux-image-$OLD_VERSION ?	11:07
david__	thank you!! <ActionParsnip>	11:07
ActionParsnip	david__: any good?	11:07
david__	mmh, nope, same error...	11:09
ActionParsnip	david__: sudo dpkg --configure -a	11:10
david__	yep I did that, it's when I get that error	11:11
ActionParsnip	david__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/dpkg-configure-a-error-361965/	11:11
david__	It's related with the first link you posted more than this last one	11:12
ActionParsnip	david__: not sure then :(	11:14
david__	I solved it	11:15
david__	thank you, it was I had 2 entries in initframs and only removed one	11:15
david__	the solution in the first link	11:15
ActionParsnip	david__: awesome :D	11:16
david__	hahaha this stuff happen when I read so quickly :D	11:17
zeEez	ActionParsnip: I just removed it all. Downloading the live cd now :)	11:17
ActionParsnip	zeEez: sweet move dude :D	11:17
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=== Shely is now known as Schneeflocke
ActionParsnip	zeEez: looking good ?	11:29
zeEez	ActionParsnip: Well my software index is all fine now. We'll see about rc2 once the live cd finished downloading :)	11:31
jussio1	does anyon know the correct md5sum for the rc2 live cd?	11:32
Tm_T	jussio1: I don't	11:32
jussio1	:(	11:32
jussio1	where is stdin when you need him...	11:33
Tm_T	sleeping ofcourse =)	11:33
jussio1	hehe	11:33
Csigaa	jussio1: there should be an MD5SUMS file on the FTP	11:33
Csigaa	or on the download website	11:33
jussio1	Csigaa: nope	11:33
ActionParsnip	jussio1: is that http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/	11:33
ActionParsnip	jussio1: http://simosnet.com/livecd/ubuntu/	11:34
jussio1	ActionParsnip: Csigaa, thats not the cd im talking about	11:34
ActionParsnip	jussio1: what is the filename you downloaded?	11:35
jussio1	ActionParsnip: its the one linked to in /topic	11:35
jussio1	http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-kde4-rc2.iso	11:35
jussio1	and there is no md5 on http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/	11:36
david__	I succesfylly installed the RC2 already (KDE4)	11:37
david__	I just did an dist-upgrade before installing the packages	11:37
ActionParsnip	david__: sounds like a result :D	11:40
maxik	привет.....	11:42
maxik	тут помогают новичкам.	11:42
maxik	???	11:42
jussio1	!ru \| maxik	11:42
ubotu	maxik: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke	11:42
Norgur	hi	11:45
ActionParsnip	hi Norgur	11:49
jussio1	ActionParsnip: there is now a md5 on the wiki site :D	11:51
ActionParsnip	jussio1: ace man couldnt find one myself	11:51
jussio1	ActionParsnip: yeah, I just asked the guy who hosts the cd for it :F	11:51
jussio1	:D	11:51
ActionParsnip	jussio1: good choice man :D	11:52
dreamcoder	can anyone tell me how to let my xbox 360 connect to the internet through kubuntu?	11:54
dreamcoder	please	11:54
Csigaa	dreamcoder: did you set up NAT yet?	11:59
Csigaa	dreamcoder: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/	12:00
maxik	куда тут по русски?	12:00
dreamcoder	ihave installed firestart thats about it	12:01
SatManUK	!ru	12:01
ubotu	Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke	12:01
dreamcoder	i managed to get it done in suse 10.2 with yast	12:01
Csigaa	dreamcoder: taht won't work... read the howto and forget the GUI things :)	12:01
SatManUK	!ru @ maxik	12:01
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about ru @ maxik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	12:01
Csigaa	dreamcoder: firestarter is obsolete and discontinued, AFAIK	12:01
SatManUK	!ru maxik	12:01
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about ru maxik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	12:01
dreamcoder	oooh	12:01
dreamcoder	so i shud get rid?	12:02
dreamcoder	could u take a look at this link and tell me if i cud just follow this guide ?	12:02
Csigaa	dreamcoder: learn to use iptables anyway. That comes handy all the time :)	12:02
Csigaa	dreamcoder: I think this guide is good for the basics	12:02
dreamcoder	yea i will just dont have time at the minute its for my son ya see to use his xbox	12:03
Csigaa	it tells how to set up a simple NAT	12:03
Csigaa	to set up real firewall, read the "netfilter howto" by the author of iptables	12:03
dreamcoder	ok thanks	12:03
Csigaa	dreamcoder: I don't know anything about the xbox settings	12:04