/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/12/17/#kubuntu.txt

nosrednaekim	ctrl+alt+f2	00:00
tehm0nk-otherpc	same thing as before	00:02
tehm0nk-otherpc	about the nvidia module	00:02
tehm0nk-otherpc	and i dont see anything above that or below it	00:02
tehm0nk-otherpc	it loads the mouse driver then has a line under that with (EE) No Drivers Available	00:03
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: ah..... you know, try running "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new"	00:03
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the nvidia driver.	00:05
Schuenemann	if I hit Ctrl + Alt + F2, how do I return to X?	00:05
FireCrotch	Schuenemann: ctrl+alt+f7	00:06
nosrednaekim	Schuenemann: CTrl+alt+f7	00:06
Schuenemann	thanks	00:06
tehm0nk-otherpc	ok	00:06
tehm0nk-otherpc	i had to uninstall nvidia-xconfig	00:06
tehm0nk-otherpc	to get it to install but i did that and it's in now	00:07
tehm0nk-otherpc	should i just try to reboot?	00:07
tehm0nk-otherpc	lol	00:07
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: no... did you run that dpkg-reconfigure command?	00:07
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tehm0nk-otherpc	whoops	00:07
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tehm0nk-otherpc	i ran startx and it booted up	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	lol	00:08
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: lol... whatever :D	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	well	00:08
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: then don't bother.	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	this still doesn't fix anything tho	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	cause	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	i dont know how to configure my video cardS without killing it haha	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	i wanna get both my monitors working	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	thats my goal today	00:08
tehm0nk-otherpc	:(	00:08
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: thats not TOO hard... ust remember that dpkg-reconfigure command and you can always go back to your original settings	00:09
_Sebulba_	I had that same thing with my nvidea 4200 i think in 7.10	00:09
tehm0nk	argh	00:09
_Sebulba_	nvidea driver works in every other distro except 7.10	00:09
tehm0nk	yeah i can't touch anything to do with the drivers without killing the dang xserver	00:10
tehm0nk	but nvidia-glx-new are supposed to work right heh	00:10
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: yeap	00:10
tehm0nk	so do any of you run dual monitors?	00:10
_Sebulba_	mine works fine without the nvidea driver but i dont use any 3d stuff so i dont really need it	00:10
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: try using the screens and graphics tool in system settings	00:11
tehm0nk	well i want compiz to work lol	00:11
tehm0nk	nos i think that is how i messed it up?	00:11
_Sebulba_	:( so do I but my ram is borderline and other stuff runs too slow when animation is used	00:11
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: nah,compiz won't mess X up	00:12
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nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: try a nice reboot to see if everything is working on a reboot, cause I'll probably have to be going soon	00:13
tehm0nk	uh	00:13
tehm0nk	i dont know what to set in the monitor & dislays to make it work?	00:13
tehm0nk	do i need to install anything to make it dual monitor?	00:14
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: no.	00:14
_Sebulba_	dont push the mhz setting too high or you'll blow ur monitor	00:14
_Sebulba_	xp has a failsafe	00:14
_Sebulba_	not seen any failsafes in linux yet	00:15
tehm0nk	lemme try a reboot	00:15
tehm0nk	well	00:15
tehm0nk	if i try to enable "second screen"	00:15
tehm0nk	i can't select anything over 640x480	00:15
tehm0nk	and it's not seeing my second monitor	00:16
tehm0nk	in the hardware tab	00:16
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: yeah... do a reboot	00:16
tehm0nk	brb hopefully	00:16
tehm0nk	lol	00:16
nosrednaekim	heh	00:18
nosrednaekim	there is alway tehm0nk-otherpc:D	00:18
tehm0nk-otherpc	ok uh	00:18
tehm0nk-otherpc	this is jacked up	00:18
tehm0nk-otherpc	haha	00:18
tehm0nk-otherpc	it rebooted	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	and i dont think it got stuck where it did	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	but i think it's stuck...	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	and there is no text	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	or anything	00:19
nosrednaekim	sooo... where is it stuck?	00:19
nosrednaekim	ctrl+alt+f1	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	nothing but an nvidia logo really big on the screen	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	...	00:19
nosrednaekim	0.o	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	dude	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	i mean that is just the icing on the cake man	00:19
tehm0nk-otherpc	LoL	00:19
nosrednaekim	heh	00:20
tehm0nk-otherpc	kinda like an in your face... HAHA	00:20
nosrednaekim	does ctrl+alt+f1 work?	00:20
mot	haaaaaaaah	00:20
tehm0nk-otherpc	no	00:21
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: no? haha, wow. umm	00:21
nosrednaekim	next time you reboot, remove one of the monitors.	00:22
acee1234	anyone familiar with kdmtheme? every time i try to install something i getting "the file is not a valid kdm archive"	00:22
nosrednaekim	acee1234: it probably isn't;)	00:22
acee1234	http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26718	00:22
sonhouse	hi	00:22
acee1234	thats the file	00:23
tehm0nk-otherpc	reinstalled nvidia-glx-new	00:24
tehm0nk-otherpc	rebooting heh	00:24
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: take out one of your monitors.	00:24
acee1234	what is the proper extension for a kdm file?	00:25
tehm0nk-otherpc	ok rebooting with 1 now	00:26
sonhouse	1	00:26
tehm0nk-otherpc	course i get nothin cause	00:27
tehm0nk-otherpc	lemme switch which one is plugged in	00:27
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: no nvidia screen?	00:27
tehm0nk-otherpc	i dont know why but as i said earlier...	00:27
tehm0nk-otherpc	it starts to boot on one screen then switched to the other	00:27
acee1234	anyone know the prper extension of a kdm theme?	00:27
nosrednaekim	acee1234: .tgz	00:27
tehm0nk-otherpc	it did all the outputs on the right screen then nvidia logo on the other after ...	00:27
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: yeah, well, if you can get to the command line we are going to get rid of those drivers and start over doing this the right way	00:28
tehm0nk-otherpc	LOL omg	00:29
tehm0nk-otherpc	this is so weird	00:29
tehm0nk-otherpc	so it didn't even turn the monitor on until the nvidia screen, and then the login screen	00:30
tehm0nk-otherpc	but i can log in there now..	00:30
tehm0nk-otherpc	having fun yet ?	00:30
nosrednaekim	haha	00:30
Minataku	Well, X and the kernel use two different video drivers	00:30
Minataku	Well, they CAN	00:30
Minataku	My system uses the X11 trident driver for video, but the kernel's tridentfb driver doesn't work	00:31
Minataku	So I use vesafb instead	00:31
Minataku	In theory, if I used tridentfb and X11 trident, X11 would work while the kernel wouldn't	00:31
acee1234	ok i added the kdm theme it didnt reject the file but it didnt add it as an option ideas?	00:32
Minataku	Though it usually doesn't work like that	00:32
Minataku	lol	00:32
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: so its working?	00:32
tehm0nk	ok	00:33
tehm0nk	so now what lol	00:33
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: well, MUST you have two monitors?	00:33
tehm0nk	Yes.	00:33
tehm0nk	why would i have... 400 dollars extra in a second videocard and monitor if i didn't think i needed it lol	00:34
tehm0nk	:-D	00:34
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: ya know, in Linux, there are such things as "virtual desktops	00:34
tehm0nk	yes i knwo	00:34
nosrednaekim	try using linux for a while with one monitor	00:34
tehm0nk	it'd be nice to have 2 desktops tho too	00:34
tehm0nk	and it would really be nice if i could get it to stay on One monitor...	00:35
tehm0nk	cause you know i can't get into the prompt or recovery cause that one stays on the Other monitor...	00:35
tehm0nk	lol	00:35
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk: haha	00:36
tehm0nk	so... i'm gonna try to restart the x server...	00:36
tehm0nk	if that dont work i'm just gonna reboot i guess...	00:36
tehm0nk	brb	00:36
nosrednaekim	ok...	00:37
Minataku	lol	00:37
tehm0nk-otherpc	lol	00:39
tehm0nk-otherpc	well	00:39
tehm0nk-otherpc	heh	00:39
tehm0nk-otherpc	that ws insteresting	00:39
tehm0nk-otherpc	it did the first error again	00:39
su-hoens`r1	can someone help me install q3?	00:39
tehm0nk-otherpc	so i reinstalled the nvidia driver again	00:39
tehm0nk-otherpc	then hit startx	00:39
tehm0nk-otherpc	and it worked...	00:39
tehm0nk	and now it's all on the Right monitor	00:40
Nvrnight	anyone know where I can get some instructions on compiling a non-standard file?	00:40
tehm0nk	which is nice lol	00:40
DeadJones	what are you trying to compile?	00:40
Nvrnight	klassmodeler-0.8.bin.tgz	00:41
tehm0nk	ok one more try at 2 monitors...	00:41
tehm0nk	heh	00:41
DeadJones	gotta uncompress the tgz first	00:41
Minataku	!compile	00:42
ubotu	Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)	00:42
Nvrnight	ty minataku	00:43
Nvrnight	btw I fixed my problem I had a couple weeks ago with my screen going off after it would load to 100%	00:43
Minataku	np, Nvrnight	00:43
Nvrnight	was a problem with my ati card, had to go to sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change it to vesa driver	00:43
Nvrnight	just incase you wanted to know	00:44
DeadJones	ewww ati	00:44
DeadJones	nix + ati = disaster waiting to happen	00:44
tehm0nk-otherpc	Yah, no go	00:45
acee1234	what channel is best to discus kdm?	00:45
nosrednaekim	here	00:45
tehm0nk-otherpc	got the first error	00:45
tehm0nk-otherpc	then i reinstalled nvidia-glx-new	00:45
tehm0nk-otherpc	then i ran startx	00:45
nosrednaekim	tehm0nk-otherpc: and...	00:45
tehm0nk-otherpc	and i got the xserver error	00:46
tehm0nk-otherpc	just like before	00:46
acee1234	nosrednaekim: ok, i when i install a kdm theme it does not show up as a new option whats going on there?	00:46
Minataku	tehm0nk-otherpc: When you're typing a single thought, hit enter AFTER you're done typing all of it	00:46
Minataku	lol	00:46
nosrednaekim	acee1234: that module is buggy, I never could get it working predictably	00:46
su-hoens`r1	can someone help me install quake3.... when i try i get the following error from the installer: This installation doesn't support glibc-2.0 on Linux / x86_64	00:47
tehm0nk-otherpc	Minataku: sure thing buddy	00:47
acee1234	nosrednaekim: so manual install?	00:47
Minataku	Thanks	00:47
Minataku	lol	00:47
nosrednaekim	acee1234: I have no clue ho to even do that	00:47
nosrednaekim	su-hoens`r1: just what it said... no x86_64 support	00:48
su-hoens`r1	nosrednaekim: what does that have to do with my question	00:48
Minataku	su-hoens`r1: It means it's not going to work.	00:48
Minataku	Period.	00:48
nosrednaekim	su-hoens`r1: it means you need to run either i386 or ina chroot environment	00:49
Minataku	Can you do that? x32 libs in a chroot on an x64 machine?	00:49
nosrednaekim	Minataku: yeah	00:49
Minataku	Hm, I didn't know that.	00:49
nosrednaekim	!autolib	00:49
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about autolib - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	00:49
nosrednaekim	!autolibs	00:49
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about autolibs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	00:49
nosrednaekim	there is a tool to do it	00:50
Minataku	nosrednaekim: If the factoid was even remotely useful, it was deleted	00:50
Minataku	:P	00:50
Minataku	They did that to my !xrandr as well	00:50
nosrednaekim	heh	00:50
Minataku	I used that all the time	00:50
nosrednaekim	Minataku: redo it	00:50
Minataku	Nah, I'm sure it'll get rejected	00:51
Minataku	It was, I assume, folded into a less intuitive !resolution	00:51
nosrednaekim	ah	00:51
Minataku	Where I have to specifically tell them which link to choose	00:51
tehm0nk-otherpc	dpkg -l \| more \| grub?grab?grumble? i forgot what it what...	00:53
tehm0nk-otherpc	*what is was	00:53
nosrednaekim	grep?	00:53
Pieman	DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0	00:57
Minataku	Haha, real nice	00:57
Minataku	Tie a whole bunch into one	00:57
Minataku	Multithreaded assholery	00:57
Minataku	lol	00:57
Minataku	Uh, LjL	00:58
* Minataku sighs		00:58
Minataku	UH	00:59
Minataku	Why did you just unban the guy who used the exploit!?	00:59
LjL	Minataku, why does that concern you?	00:59
david__	google	01:01
david__	hey	01:01
david__	whats goin on	01:01
Nvrnight	Anyone know of any free software that can be used on Ubuntu to create UML charts?	01:01
LjL	!info umbrello \| Nvrnight	01:01
ubotu	nvrnight: umbrello: UML modelling tool and code generator. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 2083 kB, installed size 5648 kB	01:01
Nvrnight	ty	01:02
pacman	how do I turn a .daa into a .iso	01:03
Minataku	LjL: Excuse me for caring about the users of the channel.	01:03
LjL	Minataku, a ban may be done by mistake. but removing a ban is hardly done by mistake.	01:04
Minataku	Which is why my mind was boggling at why it was done	01:05
jhutchins	bans should be used sparingly.	01:05
maninder	i installed compiz and i restarted the settings didnt save	01:08
maninder	so how do i make compiz wok again	01:08
maninder	emerald --replaceÉ	01:08
maninder	work*	01:09
maninder	any help hereÉ	01:14
flaccid_	!ask	01:14
ubotu	Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)	01:14
flaccid_	oh you already did	01:14
flaccid_	maninder: compiz --replace	01:14
flaccid_	to go back use kwin --replace	01:14
LjL	Minataku: that guy was k-lined, that's why	01:15
Minataku	Okay	01:15
flaccid_	fair enough	01:15
Minataku	That's a good reason	01:15
Minataku	lol	01:15
Minataku	Sorry, LjL	01:15
maninder	kwin --replace	01:15
maninder	doesnt work	01:15
flaccid_	come to help today LjL :)	01:16
flaccid_	!doesntwork	01:16
ubotu	Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.	01:16
maninder	what shall i doÉ	01:16
LjL	help with compiz? no thanks :P	01:16
flaccid_	haha	01:16
maninder	hurry hurry	01:16
maninder	i need help	01:16
maninder	:(	01:16
maninder	how do i fix compiz	01:16
maninder	i tried emerald --replace	01:17
maninder	hello	01:18
maninder	lol this is dead	01:18
flaccid_	no you are not listening maninder	01:19
maninder	tell me	01:19
flaccid_	what is the output from compiz --replace	01:19
maninder	what command to type on konsole	01:19
maninder	its in my settings folder	01:19
flaccid_	you can't just say it doesnt' work. there i likely a reason why it is not working. it doesn't fix itself	01:19
flaccid_	i=is	01:20
maninder	lol	01:20
maninder	long story short	01:20
maninder	what do i type	01:20
maninder	insall compiz	01:20
maninder	install	01:20
flaccid_	!compiz \| maninder	01:21
ubotu	maninder: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion	01:21
flaccid_	depends on ubuntu version	01:21
flaccid_	you might also want to detailed help in #compiz-fusion	01:21
flaccid_	please pastebin the output maninder	01:23
flaccid_	anyone know how to change alt + tab behaviour - i didn't even have a popup showing the windows when i press alt tab and it tabs in a weird order	01:30
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sub[t]rnl	hrm, I use that compiz plugin for mine	01:31
mox69__	flaccid: hold down alt, then press tab, but keep hold down alt, the window should pop up...	01:33
tandat	how can i remote desktop from kubuntu?	01:42
ardchoille	tandat: kmenu > internet > krdc	01:42
tandat	thank, i will try it	01:44
flaccid	mox69__: thats my point. it doesnt.	01:48
flaccid	really annoying it is	01:48
flaccid	fresh gutsy install to it was	01:48
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mox69__	flaccid: maybe the alt key on yer keyboard was broken :)	01:58
flaccid	then it wouldn't work at all	02:00
flaccid	i reckon problem is ubuntu or kde. thing is kde seems way more buggy on ubuntu. i never get issues like this on freebsd	02:00
flaccid	ah fixed	02:04
flaccid	its in Window Behaviour	02:04
flaccid	glad that is fixed	02:06
CPrgmSwR2	Hi	02:12
maninder	i installed m player	02:14
maninder	but the dvd wont play	02:14
Creatur	maninder: Tried with VLC ?	02:15
Creatur	I usually have more success with that one.	02:15
sub[t]rnl	Make sure you have support for dvd playback	02:15
sub[t]rnl	a good package to install is kubuntu-restricted-extras	02:15
brad__	hey	02:15
brad__	i'm having some trouble with flash on kubuntu 64bit	02:16
brad__	gutsy	02:16
brad__	and its been working for months and suddenly is messing up and not really working	02:16
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sub[t]rnl	brad__: what browser are you using?	02:17
brad__	I'm using konqueror...and it was working up to today though firefox had been having problems with it	02:19
brad__	and I unisntalled and reinstalled some things and it briefly worked on firefox but wont now	02:19
brad__	firefox LOVES to freeze	02:19
brad__	and has been like this for a few weeks but I generally only use it when something wont work on konq	02:19
sub[t]rnl	yeah it does	02:19
brad__	but on konqeuror generally just the flash area is frozen, on firefox the whole browser freezes	02:20
brad__	and it just kind of stopped working out of nowhere today and I've already reset etc	02:20
Zok\|	guys, I need lil help .. I got new, fresh installed Kubuntu distribution, and I can't "./configure" anything :/ .. I got error message: Can't find X libraries	02:22
sub[t]rnl	brad__: have you reinstalled the flashplugin-nonfree package?	02:22
Zok\|	any help how to fix it? :S	02:22
ardchoille	Zok\|: What are you compiling? And did you install build-essential?	02:22
Zok\|	ardchoille yes, I'm trying to install amarok, but it doesn't matter what I try, at all I got that error	02:23
ardchoille	Zok\|: You should already have amarok installed	02:24
Zok\|	ardchoille, yes but I got some errors, and I want to recompile	02:24
brad__	sub[t]rnl: yes I reinstalled and it did nothing	02:24
Zok\|	and nothing else I can't compile :S	02:24
ardchoille	Zok\|: What are the errors with your current amarok? It might be possible to fix them instead of compiling	02:25
ardchoille	Zok\|: Did you install build-essential?	02:26
Zok\|	ardchoille, I cannot isntall mp3 support .. when I click yes at question, amarok were asking to restart the program to work fine .. but after restarting it, still doesn't have mp3 support	02:27
Zok\|	ardchoille yes	02:27
brad__	bear in mind I am on 64bit	02:28
ardchoille	Zok\|: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg	02:28
ardchoille	Zok\|: Then try restarting amarok and see if the mp3 support works	02:28
Zok\|	ardchoille, it's okay about amarok, I'll fix him latter, can u help me with this "X libraries" ?	02:29
SanityInAnarchy	I just got an Apple keyboard, looking to swap command and alt. Google is giving me a bit too much; any idea where to start?	02:30
ardchoille	Zok\|: Sounds like you need development libraries for xorg. Try sudo apt-get install xorg-dev	02:31
jorge__	Just a quike.... Anyone know how I can enable my slave HDD (FAT) to be writeable?	02:31
jorge__	I c an't delete/save stuff to my FAT slave HDD...	02:32
ardchoille	jorge__: Check the permissions on the mount point	02:32
jorge__	I can't cuz only root has permissions to change them...	02:33
acee1234	what file in kdm file dictates the positions of the different buttons and fields?	02:33
jorge__	And I don't know how to change it...	02:33
ardchoille	jorge__: Therein lies the answer to your problem.	02:33
jorge__	So, how do I change it?	02:33
jorge__	I've tried the properties thingy	02:33
jorge__	just changed back	02:33
ardchoille	jorge__: ls -l /path/to/mountpoint	02:34
jorge__	?	02:34
jorge__	So, it says root owns it.	02:35
jorge__	How do I chnage it?	02:35
ardchoille	jorge__: You wan to change the owner:group?	02:35
jorge__	yeah	02:36
jorge__	I want to own it.	02:36
brad__	so does anyone think they can help me with my flash going to hell?	02:36
voline	fat discs don't do permissions	02:36
ardchoille	jorge__: sudo chown -R $(whoami) /path/mountpoint	02:36
ardchoille	voline: No, but the mount point in Linux does	02:37
mr_garrapata	Sorry, I killed the x11...	02:38
voline	you need a line analogous to this one in /etc/fstab	02:38
voline	/dev/sde5/mnt/seagatemp2vfatuid=500,gid=5000 0	02:38
mr_garrapata	So, how do I change my permissions?	02:38
mr_garrapata	I can't from kcontrol :(	02:38
voline	the necessary changes being made	02:38
mr_garrapata	?	02:39
mr_garrapata	I'm lost...	02:39
Zombie	Alright I have an issue wth Ubuntu joining my Domain.	02:40
Zombie	This is probably why my initial upgrade failed.	02:41
Zombie	Ubuntu locks up if it cannot find my Domain Controller.	02:41
maninder	my keyboard is acting weird how do i set it up	02:44
maninder	can i get the drievr for it	02:44
ChaosMachine	maninder, your going to need to be a little more specific than 'weird'	02:46
Jay-Oh-En	how come my internet	02:49
Jay-Oh-En	is so slow	02:49
flaccid	how slow is it	02:50
flaccid	is it slower than mine	02:50
Dr_willis	'its sooooooooooooo slow.......'	02:50
Dr_willis	:)	02:51
flaccid	its all relative	02:51
maninder	well my keybord doesnt let me type proper like when i do question mark i get thisÉ	02:51
flaccid	you could hire a network engineer to find the bottleneck	02:51
maninder	how do i fix itÉ	02:51
Dr_willis	ÉÉÉÉ???	02:51
Dr_willis	hmm	02:51
maninder	ye	02:51
maninder	any fixes	02:51
maninder	i could od	02:52
maninder	do*	02:52
Dr_willis	what language are you using for the system?	02:52
maninder	how do i check that	02:52
maninder	like i cant even type at in my e-mail adress	02:52
Dr_willis	No idea. I always use the defaults. :) english	02:52
maninder	so i cant even log into msn	02:52
maninder	how do i change it	02:52
Dr_willis	What language are you supposed to be using? Englush? german? Dutch? swahilli?	02:53
maninder	english	02:56
maninder	i fixed it	02:56
maninder	shoudl i restart and see if it changed	02:56
NickPresta	i love these	03:07
dwidmann	I'vvvvvvvvvvve got a quick question ...... I'm getting a seemingly strange behaviour from xbindkeys ..... it's like it's running the commands twice ..	03:14
level1	Has anyone here every successfully gotten a persistent usb installation? What tutorial (if any) did you use?	03:15
CPrgmSwR2	level1 I have with no tutorial	03:16
CPrgmSwR2	it just works	03:16
level1	CPrgmSwR2: yeah, take you situation, invert it, and that's my situation :/	03:17
level1	CPrgmSwR2: how did you do it?	03:17
Dr_willis	eleven magic!	03:19
Dr_willis	Elfen :)	03:19
level1	elven?	03:20
level1	I don't know why, but persistant usb installs fail 100% of the time for me. I've been trying for well over a year now	03:21
Dr_willis	Little Linux Elfs spreading Joy and GPL to all good boys and girls.	03:21
Dr_willis	:)	03:21
level1	Dr_willis: I must not have been good this year :)	03:22
Dr_willis	ubuntu really isent the best live cd disrto out. DSL/Puppy seem a lot better for me for persistant homes and so forth.	03:22
* Dr_willis hands level1 some C.O.A.L Packets		03:22
level1	Dr_willis: I have something of a hatred for sub-DE window managers (I think DSL uses fluxbox)	03:23
level1	I like kde a lot. If I had to use gnome or xfce, well, I guess it would be okay, but I really don't like WMs	03:23
Dr_willis	DSL is now using jwm last i tried it. of course its customizable. :)	03:23
Dr_willis	the SLAX live cd - is also very well done.	03:24
Dr_willis	But it all depends on your needs.	03:24
Dr_willis	Puppy/DSL/Slax - used by me to rescue windows systems a lot and have emergancy 'linux clients' to trouble shoot lans and other things. :)	03:24
Dr_willis	Then of course I have GeeXbox on my laptop for video watching and ubuntu as well.	03:25
level1	Dr_willis: how is slax? Is it "hard"? I'm very lazy, in case your wondering	03:25
level1	but I'll give it a try	03:25
Dr_willis	Slax is proberly one of the easiest to customize live cds out there. I think they were ven working on having a presistant home, on a ftp server, or some where else on the internet. :)	03:26
maninder	any one know how to fix compiz fusion the cube effect?	03:27
maninder	any one now how to install compiz fusion?	03:31
Minataku	wb	03:34
Minataku	Dr_Willis: Say, would you by chance be watching Futurama?	03:34
Minataku	lol	03:34
Dr_willis	nope.. Tokyo Mew Mew. :)	03:35
Minataku	:D	03:35
Minataku	Is it any good?	03:35
Dr_willis	Hmm.. Opening a .avi under windows with vlc.. and Vista pops up a dialog about how opening this kind of file may not be safe....	03:35
stdin	#kubuntu-offtopic please	03:35
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* Minataku rolls eyes		03:36
stdin	Dr_willis: well that's because opening any file in windows isn't safe ;)	03:36
Dr_willis	Ive never understood some of these security issues befor.. How can video file, or jpeg ever be unsafe? i recall hearing about jpeg viruses ages ago.	03:36
Dr_willis	Signed/pgp/and so forth for executables and such. I understand. but whats the point of a warning,, that has NO alterantives?	03:37
stdin	because the windows file preview app runs as a kernel process, so has full access to the system	03:37
Minataku	Haha	03:38
Dr_willis	Preview? Hmm i got no preview.	03:38
Minataku	So much for Vista's security	03:38
stdin	that's what happens when you build your file/web browser into the kernel	03:38
Minataku	BTW, stdin...	03:38
Minataku	TAKE IT TO OFFTOPIC	03:38
stdin	Minataku: yes, I know :)	03:38
Minataku	Vista != Kubuntu	03:38
* Minataku cackles maniacally		03:38
Minataku	XD	03:38
Minataku	Sorry. I couldn't resist.	03:38
Minataku	:)	03:38
stdin	don't blame you for that one :)	03:38
Dr_willis	Ive also wonderd speaking of Prevews.. Gnome can show previews of avi, and .divx files for me.. but not seen Konqueror do that.	03:39
Dr_willis	Can IT do that? or have i missed a setting somewhere.	03:39
* Dr_willis notices his vista warning only comes from when he loads the file over the samba share..not if the identical file is stored locally.. so it seems that 'anything on a share' gets a warning... and only THEN if you 'right click' and open with.. somthing other then the default app...		03:40
Minataku	Haha	03:40
Minataku	Kinda like how Apple makes anything that they didn't make suck on OSX	03:41
Minataku	Don't believe me? Try Firefox or Opera.	03:41
* Dr_willis wonders who gets paid to come up with this stuff.. I mean there are 'security' experts out there that are working for these big companies?		03:41
* Dr_willis files a Class Action Law Suit Against Apple.. for... well.. anything.		03:41
Dr_willis	can konqueror show avi previews/thumbnails? i still cant figure that out.	03:42
flaccid	um not really, apple didn't develop firefox or opera	03:42
Minataku	Explain why perfectly good programs suddenly run like crap under OSX, then.	03:43
Dr_willis	since when did logic matter in law suits?	03:43
Dr_willis	:)	03:43
Minataku	Apple loves their closed little box	03:43
Minataku	They want ultimate control over everything	03:43
flaccid	because the developers of the programs	03:43
Minataku	Remember OpenDarwin? Neither does anyone else.	03:43
flaccid	if you can cite something specific, Minataku you may have an argument	03:43
ardchoille	Please take the apple/OSX chat to off-topic	03:43
stdin	ok, this time it should be in #kubuntu-offtopic	03:43
Minataku	lol	03:44
Minataku	Sorry.	03:44
Minataku	XD	03:44
flaccid	code base is dif so why would you compare apples with bananas . anyway yeah OT	03:44
meuhlol	???	03:44
meuhlol	cherry is better :p	03:45
Dr_willis	Its all BSD!	03:45
Dr_willis	:)	03:45
* Dr_willis is reminded of a PC gamers mag. that referrd to OS-X as "BSDLinux"		03:45
Minataku	Actually, no	03:45
Minataku	Darwin is a Mach kernel with FreeBSD userland and NeXTSTEP GUI.	03:45
Minataku	Well, actually, the GUI is only OSX	03:45
Minataku	OSX, BTW, not an operating system	03:46
* stdin silently points at #kubuntu-offtopic while looking at Minataku and Dr_willis		03:46
Minataku	OSX is a Darwin distribution	03:46
* Dr_willis jabbers on about GnuStep		03:46
* Jay-Oh-En knows if it was me he would shout "Go to #kubuntu-offtopic		03:46
Dr_willis	wmakerbuntu? :) Whats the current cound of Ubuntu variants now?	03:46
=== damien_ is now known as polywaffle
Jay-Oh-En	anyways can somebody help me with installing bootsplashes? pwetty pwease	03:47
Minataku	Sorry, BTW. Again.	03:48
Minataku	I just had to set the facts straight.	03:48
Minataku	:P	03:48
Jay-Oh-En	anyways can somebody help me with installing bootsplashes? pwetty pwease Edit: and a grub bootscreen also :]	03:48
Dr_willis	I alwys disable that icky eyecandy. :)	03:48
meuhlol	grub bootscreen virgin is better :p	03:49
Minataku	Heh, watch out with GRUB bootscreens, though	03:50
Minataku	If it breaks, you won't be able to see anything	03:50
Minataku	lol	03:50
meuhlol	ahahaha	03:50
meuhlol	so let it be virgin :p	03:50
meuhlol	it's much pretty cool :p	03:50
stdin	Jay-Oh-En: "apt-get install kubuntu-grub-splashimages" and add "splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splashimages/(splash image you want).gz" to your menu.lst	03:51
Jay-Oh-En	meuhlol: well what about bootsplashes :(	03:51
Jay-Oh-En	and hanks stdin i luh you	03:51
meuhlol	an dude, (from windoze land) come one day to my home and ask me: "what the hell? what you hack there?!" my answer "nothing, i just updating some packages :D	03:51
bobesponja	does this site make your konquror crash http://site.on.nimp.org ?	03:52
meuhlol	huh Jay-Oh-En ask someone other, i'm bored to repair Acer Aspire laptop lol HDD or CDRom drive would work correctly... 1hour to reinstall windows in it. And now CD drive told me an secret "cyclic error" muhaha	03:52
Jay-Oh-En	meuhlol: ew windows :[	03:53
meuhlol	not for me	03:54
Jay-Oh-En	i like it too	03:54
Jay-Oh-En	but not for my system	03:54
meuhlol	for my ex girlfriend :)	03:54
Jay-Oh-En	i like it for other people	03:54
meuhlol	it's her laptop	03:54
Jay-Oh-En	its easier for me to fix	03:54
meuhlol	this bip of laptop was in technical service 3 times, and last time guaranty is finished :D	03:54
meuhlol	1 time motherboard changed & CDRom drive, 2nd time HDD & CDRom, 3rd time HDD drive...	03:55
Dr_willis	so the only original part left is the mouse?	03:56
meuhlol	lol	03:56
Minataku	XD	03:56
Minataku	The screen sounds original	03:56
meuhlol	yep, wifi & ethernet too, modem too, huh keyboard too, ram the same, pros the same and and and... Acer signal-up xD	03:57
Minataku	Heh	03:57
meuhlol	fubip antena :D	03:57
Minataku	I wonder if Acer and Acer Labs Inc. are ==	03:57
poeticrpm_	By the way.. kudos to the kubuntu community- 7.10 was a major improvement.. im glad its gotten so much more stable (kde 3.5.8 helps here too)	03:57
Minataku	Because ALi hardware is excellent	03:57
Minataku	But Acer laptops are pretty dismal.	03:58
Minataku	I think they're definitely separate.	03:58
meuhlol	I give my preference to Fujitsu Siemens & Asus :)	03:58
Minataku	Toshiba. No question.	03:58
Minataku	Best laptops money can buy.	03:58
meuhlol	Toshiba = recycle bin	03:58
Minataku	They earn _MY_ highest recommendations	03:58
Minataku	And I don't like a lot of things.	03:59
meuhlol	HP too	03:59
Minataku	Just ask around.	03:59
Minataku	No, Toshibas are the best laptops, nay, the best PCs one can purchase.	03:59
meuhlol	My 3 friends who bought HP Pavillion series, all of them haven't always problems xD	03:59
Minataku	I should know. I have four of them.	03:59
Minataku	From 2003 to 1987.	03:59
Minataku	My main system, Piyoko, is a Toshiba laptop	03:59
Minataku	Linux Piyoko 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 #2 PREEMPT Mon Sep 3 21:53:19 EDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux	03:59
meuhlol	me don't like much toshibas	03:59
Minataku	22:59:47 up 78 days, 10:15, 6 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01	03:59
Minataku	And the record is 98 days greater than the current	04:00
Minataku	lol	04:00
Dr_willis	Hmm.. Seen several toshiba laptops at work with nasty over heating problkems..	04:00
Minataku	0 problems.	04:00
maninder	i installed compiz fusion how do i open it?	04:00
Dr_willis	!compiz	04:00
ubotu	Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion	04:00
Minataku	And the headaches that come with eating too much eyecandy.	04:00
Dr_willis	be sure you got all the bits installed you need. and run 'compiz --replace' and 'emerald --replace' to test.	04:00
Minataku	Or something.	04:00
Minataku	lol	04:00
Dr_willis	install the ccsm tool also.,	04:01
maninder	IDENTIFY <superman101>	04:01
Minataku	0	04:01
Minataku	Uh oh	04:01
Dr_willis	:)	04:01
Minataku	Change your password	04:01
=== dean_ is now known as Crankymonky
meuhlol	lol	04:01
maninder	lolz	04:01
meuhlol	self owned :p	04:01
* Dr_willis gets out the Kyrptonite.		04:01
maninder	i need help with startcompiz	04:02
Minataku	Either it wasn't his password, or Freenode (or at least #kubuntu) users are very well behaved.	04:02
Minataku	lol	04:02
maninder	how do i run compiz fusion	04:02
meuhlol	oooooooh noooooooo	04:02
Dr_willis	be sure you got all the bits installed you need. and run 'compiz --replace' and 'emerald --replace' to test.	04:02
Minataku	Anywhere else and he'd have been ghosted by now.	04:02
meuhlol	god damn it... my last cigaret :(	04:02
Dr_willis	The Compiz wiki page posted mentiones all this.	04:02
poeticrpm_	maninder.. you have it installed and do you have video drivers installed?	04:02
maninder	i have ati grapgics card	04:03
Minataku	Compiz users. The new AOL users.	04:03
Minataku	:P	04:03
Minataku	j/k	04:03
Minataku	XD	04:03
meuhlol	lol	04:03
Dr_willis	ati? ICK..	04:03
Dr_willis	id give up now.	04:03
ardchoille	!language \| meuhlol	04:03
ubotu	meuhlol: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	04:03
maninder	i want that cube effect	04:03
maninder	any way how i can get it	04:03
Dr_willis	the things people will do for useless eye candy. :) and the cube is proberly the most useless feature of compiz.	04:04
maninder	lol	04:04
maninder	still	04:04
maninder	i wana know	04:04
Minataku	So useless	04:04
maninder	how to use it	04:04
Dr_willis	check the !compiz wiki page. theres proberly some extra work to do ti get it working with ati cards.,	04:04
poeticrpm_	post the results of glxinfo in a pastebin	04:04
bazhang	maninder: there is a channel dedicated to questions such as that: #compiz-fusion	04:04
Minataku	When a simple L/R flipper will accomplish the same, much faster, much easier AND with more capability.	04:04
Minataku	With a spinning cube, you're limited to the number of sides a cube has in the number of virtual desktops you have	04:05
Minataku	You may as well have 0.	04:05
Minataku	:P	04:05
maninder	lolzz	04:05
maninder	you know the number of desk tops	04:05
Minataku	...	04:05
maninder	i have it set to one	04:05
maninder	but yet i still see 4	04:05
maninder	they dont even work	04:05
maninder	only 1 does	04:05
Minataku	I was hoping you knew that a cube has 6 sides, but maybe Compiz users ARE the new AOL users. :P	04:05
Dr_willis	You MUST use the ccsm tool to set the # Of desktops	04:06
Minataku	j/k	04:06
Minataku	lol	04:06
* Dr_willis uses 12 sides.. so he has a hexiapentagram		04:06
Minataku	0 desktops.	04:06
maninder	lolz	04:06
maninder	i think the cubes sick	04:06
Dr_willis	Heptigram	04:06
maninder	for linux	04:06
Minataku	That would be interesting. Or just a blank screen.	04:06
maninder	it seperates it from windows and apple	04:06
Dr_willis	Not really. :)	04:07
maduser	everytime i play frets on fire the stage lights flash too bright	04:07
acee1234	anyone know how to get sensors working on a dell e1505 with 7.10 and ls_sensors?	04:07
* Dr_willis will be glad when this compiz cube fetish passes..		04:07
Minataku	maduser: You've got a guitar. Smash them out.	04:07
Minataku	:D	04:07
maduser	...............	04:07
Minataku	Then stage dive off an amp	04:07
Minataku	I'm making jokes, BTW.	04:08
Minataku	:P	04:08
Minataku	As for your question, this isn't the place for it.	04:08
* Dr_willis jamms to Kenny G.		04:08
acee1234	where is	04:08
Wanderer	Can anyone tell me how to turn on multiple desktops in kde4 ?	04:08
* Minataku shakes head		04:09
Dr_willis	Wanderer, if using Compiz, you must enable them with the CCSM tool. under the general tab/settings area	04:09
Wanderer	and I can't turn on the desktop affects, it says I don't have XComposite and XDamage even though I have them installed	04:09
Minataku	acee1234: I wasn't talking to you	04:09
Minataku	I can't answer your question though	04:09
Minataku	!sensors	04:09
ubotu	You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto	04:09
Minataku	Try that link, acee1234	04:09
Dr_willis	What video card Wanderer ?	04:09
Wanderer	Dr_willis, is ccsm in the system menu somewhere or do I ahve to do it from a term?	04:09
Minataku	Personally, I'm surprised there was a factoid for that.	04:09
Dr_willis	i always run it from the terminal.. who knows where they got it hidden. :)	04:09
Minataku	Though the bot doesn't seem to confident about it's usefulness.	04:10
Minataku	lol	04:10
Dr_willis	!ccsm	04:10
ubotu	To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion	04:10
Wanderer	Dr_willis: ATI Radeon 1400	04:10
Wanderer	thanks	04:10
Dr_willis	the !compiz factoid page has some info on ccsm and compiz thats worth reading	04:10
Dr_willis	good luck with an ATI card.	04:10
Wanderer	I got compiz working in kde3 with it	04:10
Minataku	ATI personally hates anyone who doesn't use Windows.	04:10
Wanderer	It's a laptop, can't change it	04:10
holycow	well they did release full specs of everything but the drm units	04:11
maduser	You can change a labtops card	04:11
holycow	so its not quite so simple any more	04:11
maduser	its just a bitch to do so	04:11
holycow	we can now write our own ... maybe	04:11
Dr_willis	i got a x200m in my laptop. I dont even attempt compiuz with it. :)	04:11
Minataku	Should've made a smarter purchasing decision, then.	04:11
Wanderer	hmm, no compiz in appearance properties	04:12
neville	-_-v	04:12
Minataku	holycow: Right, the parts that are needed for all this bullcrap.	04:12
Wanderer	looks like something isn't quite right	04:12
Minataku	Thanks, AMD. You release the most useless parts of the specification, and that's supposed to make us happy?	04:12
Minataku	Sorry, I'll try to calm down.	04:12
poeticrpm_	you mean for the new ati drivers?	04:13
Minataku	I have zero patience for idiotic proprietarism.	04:13
Minataku	0.	04:13
* Dr_willis gives Minataku a prozak		04:13
* Minataku refuses it		04:13
Minataku	lol	04:13
Minataku	I only take what's perscribed to me	04:13
* Dr_willis gives sticks 2 prozaks in Minataku's nostrals.		04:13
* Minataku fires them out		04:13
Minataku	Please, don't do that	04:13
Dr_willis	take 2 of these and if you live through the night - call me in the morning.,..	04:13
Minataku	I don't find it funny.	04:13
NoiseBOX	Perhaps someone could tell me. Why is it that modules i've added to the modprobe.conf/blacklist are still getting loaded on reboot? And if the blacklist doesn't work, where else can i turn to solve this problem?	04:14
* Minataku throws them in the trash		04:14
Dr_willis	what modules NoiseBOX ? you sure ya got the names right>	04:14
Minataku	Dr_willis: Please, don't joke with me like that.	04:14
Minataku	:P	04:14
* Dr_willis is the Dr of Love and writes perscriptions.		04:15
Dr_willis	which my wife ignores..	04:15
NoiseBOX	Dr_willis: i82875p_edac and edac_mc	04:15
Dr_willis	:(	04:15
Dr_willis	NoiseBOX, could go hard core and rename the modules. :(	04:15
Minataku	:o	04:15
Dr_willis	but its odd that blacklist is ignoring them	04:15
Dr_willis	i wonder if somthing else (some other module) is loading them	04:15
Minataku	I already take medications for my ADD and OCD	04:16
Minataku	:P	04:16
Dr_willis	I just have GAS.	04:16
NoiseBOX	Dr_willis: yeah the last ditch effort i might have to do that :\	04:16
Dr_willis	NoiseBOX, check the lsmod output - see if they are depending on somthing else. I wonder how blacklisting handles that.	04:16
Minataku	Sorry, I can't handle some things intended as humor due to my OCD.	04:17
Minataku	lol	04:17
Dr_willis	eat more MSG. :)	04:17
NoiseBOX	Dr_willis: edac_mc depends on i82875p_edac, and that is where it ends i don't need either module for proper function	04:17
Dr_willis	Interesting.	04:18
Dr_willis	what are these modules for anyway> and why is loading them a problem?	04:18
Minataku	Well, loaded but unused modules don't hurt anything	04:18
Minataku	And likely the memory they take up is absolutely trivial	04:18
Dr_willis	im amazed that linux can proerly load the proper modules..	04:19
NoiseBOX	Dr_willis: There is a bug that prevents the radeon drivers on this machine from providing direct rendering because the edac modules prevent intel_agp from binding with the intel_agp properly	04:19
Dr_willis	its like magic.	04:19
Minataku	!modules	04:19
ubotu	To compile modules and drivers that are not bundled with the standard !kernel, install the relevant package, usually called "<modulename>-source", and run « sudo module-assistant » (you will have to do this again after kernel updates). To prevent specific modules from loading, see !blacklist	04:19
Minataku	Hm	04:19
Minataku	!blacklist	04:19
ubotu	To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »	04:19
Minataku	You've done that, I take it?	04:19
Dr_willis	Hmm.. i wonder IF they are loading from the initrd...	04:20
NoiseBOX	ubotu: my problem is the blacklist file ISN'T preventing them from loading. I'll have to check the init.rd	04:20
Dr_willis	well bbl ya all..	04:20
NoiseBOX	Minataku: i wouldn't mind the modules there, but it's causing a bug with direct rendering on radeon drivers	04:21
Minataku	Right, that's a bit of a problem there	04:22
Minataku	lol	04:22
Minataku	I can't help you here, sorry	04:22
Minataku	NoiseBOX: Hang around, though	04:22
NoiseBOX	Minataku: lol, bummer thanks	04:22
Minataku	NoiseBOX: I'm sure someone else can.	04:22
Minataku	:D	04:22
NoiseBOX	How can i check if they're getting loaded during the initrd process? I imagine they're loaded up before th blacklist is even checked	04:23
mrdigital	whats a good Site for help moving from Windows to Linux	04:23
maduser	site?	04:24
maduser	are there any?	04:24
maduser	I find linux as a leap of faith	04:24
bazhang	mrdigital: like the ubuntu wiki?	04:24
Jay-Oh-En	what can i use to unrar	04:24
Jay-Oh-En	!rar	04:24
Jay-Oh-En	!unrar	04:24
Jay-Oh-En	!ping	04:25
ubotu	rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free	04:25
ubotu	pong	04:25
bazhang	uhoh	04:25
Jay-Oh-En	oh	04:25
Jay-Oh-En	there it goes	04:25
neville	I've lost my address bar in Konquerer, how do I get it back?	04:25
poeticrpm_	settings>toolbars>address bar	04:26
neville	ahh	04:28
neville	Thanks <3	04:28
poeticrpm_	neville- np	04:29
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Jay-Oh-En	how do i make kubuntu start up in silent mode everytime	04:35
Jay-Oh-En	and have can i add a background image to it	04:35
maduser	to the splash screen or grup screen?	04:36
maduser	to the splash screen or grub screen?	04:36
Jay-Oh-En	splash	04:37
maduser	its very possible	04:38
maduser	I changed mine	04:38
maduser	go to kde look	04:38
maduser	and donload a splash screen	04:38
maduser	then install it	04:38
Jay-Oh-En	maduser: you shouldve said my name before it cause im doing stuff so im constantly looking up in the right corner to check if i got a message on irc	04:38
Jay-Oh-En	maduser: i mean make my bootsplash go into silent mode on the startup	04:39
Jay-Oh-En	like this	04:39
Jay-Oh-En	http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/63598-1.jpg	04:39
maduser	Ummmm	04:40
mikedoty	How do I change resolution	04:51
Dr_willis	!fixres	04:52
ubotu	The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto	04:52
mikedoty	Resolution was easy to change in xfce. I must have had it first in line in my xorg.conf file when I used gnome. I remember being disappointed that you needed to edit a config file to change your resolution.	04:53
Jay-Oh-En	can somebody help me do this http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/26409-1.jpg	04:54
tazgodx	for some reason when i try to burn my new ubuntu ISo i just d/led K3B tells me taht i need to insert a blank CD-R media	04:55
tazgodx	anyone know of this problem?	04:55
* Dr_willis perfers a simple config file he can edit.		04:57
Dr_willis	If you knew how much of a pain it was say 5+ yrs ago... :)	04:57
Dr_willis	if you are just changing the default res for a user. I think thats a per user setting you can set.	04:58
mrdigital	Jay-Oh-En: thats effin hot	04:58
tazgodx	Jay-Oh-En: if you figure that out, let me know how :)	04:59
Dr_willis	thats just a fancy console framebuffer image.	04:59
Jay-Oh-En	tazgodx: lol look on kde-look.org under splash screens	04:59
tazgodx	anyone have any idea about my K3B problem?	05:03
stdin	do you have a blank CD-R in the selected drive?	05:05
tazgodx	yeah	05:06
tazgodx	i have 2 DVD burners and i tried in both	05:06
tazgodx	i really need this burnt, i have another computer sitting here waiting for the install	05:08
Dr_willis	Hmm..	05:08
Dr_willis	ive seen other mention similer issues.. but not sure what the problem is.	05:09
tazgodx	yeah i saw a few posts on the forums, and no solutions posted	05:09
Dr_willis	if you insert a blank disk without k3b running, does it pop up any dialogs?	05:09
tazgodx	yeah, when i insert a blank disk with K3B open or closed it pops up asking what i want to do with the blank disk. i usually say do nothing	05:10
maduser	nothing i install works with winw	05:11
maduser	nothing i install works with wine	05:11
Dr_willis	maduser, and what may we ask, have you tried?	05:11
holycow	maduser: well why would you expect it to? only select things actually work	05:11
maduser	windows media palyer, divx the super conveter half life 2	05:12
Dr_willis	well dont expect WMP to ever work, if you are refering to that video converter tool called 'super' Well. you may want to try som eother linux tools.	05:13
Dr_willis	Halflife/steam i hear can work with wine.	05:13
Jay-Oh-En	so nobody knows how to do this http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/26409-1.jpg	05:13
tazgodx	if your trying super converter, it says on it, won't work with wine	05:13
tazgodx	Jay-Oh-En: turn boot screen verbose mode on, however that is done	05:14
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, you set up the default framebuffer background using that image.	05:14
Dr_willis	!splash	05:14
ubotu	To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image using !gconf-editor.	05:14
Dr_willis	Hmm thats not it...	05:14
Dr_willis	!bootsplasy	05:14
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplasy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	05:14
Dr_willis	!bootsplash	05:14
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	05:14
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: and tazgodx no idea how to do either of those but both of those answers are the ones i wanted :]	05:15
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, you got some learning to do then. :)	05:15
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis:	05:15
Jay-Oh-En	im an open book	05:15
Jay-Oh-En	teach me! :]	05:15
Dr_willis	i forget where that file even is located at. you find it. change it. rerun the tool that regenerates the initrd, i belive	05:15
Dr_willis	i normally DISABLE such eyecandy	05:15
Dr_willis	that sort of image/framebuffer stuff actually can slow down your console :)	05:16
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: i just want verbose mode everytime	05:16
tazgodx	wow, i just can't take not being able to burn this thing.....	05:16
* holycow gets some white out and starts removing a few paragraphs 'creatively'		05:16
Dr_willis	verbose mode can be enabled in the /boot/grub/menu.lst	05:16
holycow	be careful where you open YOUR book is my motto	05:16
holycow	-_-	05:16
Dr_willis	in menu.lst	05:17
Dr_willis	# defoptions=quiet nosplash nofb	05:17
Dr_willis	can become other ways like ---> # defoptions=quiet nosplash nofb verbose	05:17
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: what does that enable	05:17
Dr_willis	whatever verbose does.. :) Im not sure that verbose is even a proper option.	05:17
Jay-Oh-En	verbose?	05:17
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Jay-Oh-En	oh	05:17
Jay-Oh-En	ok	05:17
Dr_willis	ya can try noquiet also.	05:17
Jay-Oh-En	well idk either and i dont want grub to get screwed up	05:18
Dr_willis	AFTER editing the menu.lst you got to run 'sudo update-grub'	05:18
Dr_willis	grub is one of those tools thats worth learning, and learning well.	05:18
Dr_willis	learn to backp your originals :)	05:18
Jay-Oh-En	cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.backup	05:19
maduser	yes i got an emulator foe windows	05:19
tehm0nk	!dualhead	05:19
ubotu	Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama	05:19
Dr_willis	with a sudo Jay-Oh-En :)	05:19
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: but thats right? i feel smart and i know with a sudo	05:19
maduser	Is quemu a good program?	05:19
Dr_willis	qemu is a useable emulator.. deopends on what you are going to do with it. :)	05:20
tehm0nk	Question for the Gamers: Can kubuntu emulate games that are installed in actual windows?	05:20
Dr_willis	qemu, vmware, virtualbox, all have pros/cons	05:20
ardchoille	Does qemu also depend on the quality of your hardware to be higher than normal?	05:20
Dr_willis	tehm0nk, with wine, you 'can' run programs that are installed on the windows hard drives.. but i found this can cause problems. Its normally best to reinstall the games with wine on the linux system.	05:21
Jay-Oh-En	ugh i wish i knew how to do this :[	05:21
tehm0nk	Dr_willis: thank you, i was wondering how that would work, so wow is gonna take up twice as much space...	05:21
Dr_willis	qemu i would consider one of the roughest emulators out. compared to vmware/virtualbox.	05:22
Dr_willis	tehm0nk, Or ya install it with wine, then link the installed game dir to the windows one.	05:22
Jay-Oh-En	tehm0nk: delete it on windows	05:22
Dr_willis	but I dont mess with WoW any more.	05:22
Dr_willis	gotta lvoe games that take up 10+GB.. :)	05:22
holycow	and you still can't get past level 2	05:23
tehm0nk	wait what?	05:23
holycow	-_-	05:23
tehm0nk	i install to windows partition from wine? lol	05:23
holycow	its just a folder in .wine or whatever	05:23
holycow	its makes the emulated libraries think they are actually looking at partitions they expect	05:24
Jay-Oh-En	ardchoille: would you know how to do this http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/26409-1.jpg	05:24
tehm0nk	lol i'm pathetic i'm working on my 3rd 70....	05:24
tehm0nk	anyways i had just wondered on that	05:24
tehm0nk	anyone Really good with dual monitors?	05:25
tehm0nk	i think i'm set on the dual booting part of this...	05:25
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: Looks like the irssi irc client running in konsole while konsole is set to a transparent background, not hard at all	05:25
tehm0nk	i'm installing hopefully for the last time	05:25
Jay-Oh-En	ardchoille: no its kubuntu starting up	05:25
tehm0nk	but who knows how i'm gonna get my second monitor to work without killing it agian...	05:25
Dr_willis	heh	05:25
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: I take that back, that looks lke rkhunter running i a transp konsole	05:25
tehm0nk	i need to find someone that has 2 nvidia videocards, and 2 monitors and stick myself to them like glue lol	05:26
tehm0nk	and figure out how they did it...	05:26
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, you may want to check the ubuntu wikis for the bootsplash/framebuffer docs instead of hopeing someone will join who can walk ya through it.	05:26
Zombie	Kubuntu locks up if it cannot find my Domain Controller.	05:26
holycow	tehm0nk: i have a dual monitor setup. do you need an xorg.conf example for an nvidia card setup?	05:26
ardchoille	Jay-Oh-En: Ah, ok. I don't know how to do that, I dislike eye candy for the grub screen, kind of a waste when I only see the grub screen once every two months	05:26
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: ok :[	05:27
* Jay-Oh-En hopes somebody knows how to do this		05:27
Dr_willis	Thats the console framebuffer i belive. Not the Grub menu background.. I think. :) in that image	05:27
holycow	Jay-Oh-En: do what?	05:27
tehm0nk	holycow: YES	05:28
tehm0nk	and if i could spit out my pci info it would be even better lol	05:28
tehm0nk	if they could just get one together for me...	05:28
tehm0nk	cause i'm a boon.	05:28
Jay-Oh-En	holycow: change my startup to look like this http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/26409-1.jpg	05:28
Dr_willis	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer	05:28
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: your the greatest man!	05:29
holycow	tehm0nk: http://pastebin.ca/index.php	05:29
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, all i did was take 10 sec to google..	05:29
tazgodx	Jay-Oh-En: You need to compile youre kernel with fbsplash or bootsplash support and replace Usplash. There is a nice HowTo on ubuntuforums.org. just search for "fbsplash" and there should be a few threads on how to do it. Cant give you a direct link because im having trouble accessing the forum...my internet connection is Slow.	05:29
tazgodx	thats from the site	05:29
Dr_willis	that page shows how to set the higher res.. Not the image.	05:29
tehm0nk	holycow, i'm on the live cd right now	05:30
tehm0nk	and UGH i was doing good	05:30
tehm0nk	now grub is giving me problems again	05:30
holycow	Jay-Oh-En: it's not terribly hard bu tyou haveto know a whole bunch of things. i don't have instructions on how to set this up	05:30
Dr_willis	!fbsplash	05:30
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about fbsplash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	05:30
holycow	tehm0nk: well, backup your xorg, paste mine in there, from command line do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart, that should work i think	05:31
holycow	unless you can't change files in the ram disk, i've never tried	05:31
tehm0nk	actually everything is mounted	05:31
tehm0nk	but...	05:31
tehm0nk	i'm screwed again because grub wont install... i dont know what happened i didn't change the partitions, i just installed on them before, i formatted them again in the install process, but it wont go.	05:32
holycow	tehm0nk: what?	05:32
holycow	you asked for instructions on setting up a dual screen	05:33
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis / holycow / tazgodx http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178439	05:33
holycow	what does THAT have to do with installing ubuntu?	05:33
tehm0nk	i can't boot kubuntu unless grub is installed and working right.	05:34
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, i aint about to even try that silly splash thing.. :) its a huge hassle and it can break/cause other probglems for very little gain	05:34
tehm0nk	i was asking about that because i've been trying to get that working for 2 days almost now	05:34
tehm0nk	and i had been okay on installing it up until just now	05:34
holycow	tehm0nk: if your ubuntu is not booting you have bigger problems than dual monitor setup	05:34
tehm0nk	i've reinstalled it twice now...	05:34
maduser	My compter is 3 years old will that pose problems for running kubuntu?	05:35
tehm0nk	at least twice	05:35
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: me either god such a simple looking thing takes so much effort to do	05:35
Jay-Oh-En	maduser: no	05:35
tehm0nk	holycow: the ENTIRE reason i've had to reinstall so many times is because of the Nvidia drivers	05:35
tehm0nk	i'm on 2 8600 GTs	05:35
holycow	what?	05:36
holycow	lol	05:36
tehm0nk	which need the nvidia-glx-new drivers...	05:36
holycow	no you didn't	05:36
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, theres a reason such a setup was NOT included by default.	05:36
maduser	ati also causes problems	05:36
Jay-Oh-En	Dr_willis: why?	05:36
holycow	well i'll take your word for it, why are you reinstalling?	05:36
tehm0nk	either way the drivers get screwed up if i try to change the settings	05:36
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, the framebuffer can cause all sorts of little issues. and it can slow down your booting.	05:36
tehm0nk	then it wont boot anymore	05:36
holycow	you can just go into a terminal and change the nvidia to nv	05:36
Dr_willis	Jay-Oh-En, in some cases it can really conflict with some of the X drivers, depending on the cards/mb/chipsets	05:36
tehm0nk	and i was installing cause i couldn't figure out how to fix the drivers again	05:37
holycow	oh your stystem stops booting after installing nvidia-glx?	05:37
maduser	I might change distros	05:37
maduser	again moan	05:37
Dr_willis	life causes problems...	05:38
holycow	3 year old computer?	05:38
Dr_willis	:)	05:38
tehm0nk	if i were to install nvidia-glx Yes.	05:38
holycow	i have debian running on 10 year old systems. i don't understand the question	05:38
holycow	what problem are you tryin gto solve?	05:38
holycow	tehm0nk: so describe your problem to me?	05:38
tehm0nk	if i use nvidia-glx-new the drivers work and compiz works	05:38
holycow	you install the distro, install nvidia-glx and then the system becomes unbootable?	05:38
tehm0nk	lol holycow that happened the first time i got it to install correctly.	05:39
tehm0nk	and was able to boot to it	05:39
holycow	can you try and put your problem into words?	05:40
holycow	i do this for free	05:40
tehm0nk	second time i used the nvidia-glx-new drivers, and then tried to enable the second monitor in the system settings, and that killed my xserver upon trying to reboot (probably because of the menu.lst)	05:40
holycow	asking me to GUESS what the problem is really makes me not want to help	05:40
holycow	okay why did you reinstall then?	05:41
* tehm0nk blinks		05:41
holycow	all you haveto do is backup your xorg.conf file	05:41
holycow	if you screw it up, you just copy your xorg.conf file back and restart kdm	05:41
holycow	whats the problem?	05:41
tehm0nk	ok i'll do that next time	05:41
tehm0nk	or i'll have you walk me through it if you're still here.	05:42
tehm0nk	Right now i'm trying to get grub setup right again.	05:42
Dr_willis	I dont see how the menu.lst can affect the X drivers..	05:42
holycow	well how about this	05:42
Dr_willis	or visa-versa :)	05:42
holycow	you clearly don'[t know enough about linux to actually fix it	05:42
holycow	you didn't even know you could manually just restart x	05:42
holycow	so	05:42
tehm0nk	never said i did...	05:42
holycow	let me make a suggestion or two	05:43
holycow	1. start with a clean install	05:43
holycow	forget fixing grub until you know more	05:43
tehm0nk	i JUST installed "clean"	05:43
holycow	2. install nvidia glx new drivers	05:43
tehm0nk	and i'm trying to setup Grub because i'm on a SATA Raid0 setup	05:43
holycow	3. use my xorg to configure dual monitor	05:43
holycow	log out and log back in	05:43
tehm0nk	if i dont get grub on there is no point in messing with nvidia drivers now right?	05:44
holycow	tehm0nk: may i suggest not trying to setup sata without enough knowledge to do it properly?	05:44
pacman	what do I need to change a .daa to a .iso?	05:44
tehm0nk	holycow: i've NEVER had an issue in windows.	05:44
holycow	your problem right now isn't your computer, its you	05:44
tehm0nk	:-P	05:44
holycow	you are trying to solve multiple problems simultaneously	05:44
holycow	how about you solve one problem at a time, get that down pat	05:45
holycow	then fix the others	05:45
Dr_willis	im still not clear on how grub broke.	05:45
tehm0nk	i thought i was going to get grub on flawlessly like the last two installs...	05:45
tehm0nk	Dr_willis: Thank you.	05:45
holycow	so you setup raid properly before?	05:45
holycow	if so you screwed something up	05:45
tehm0nk	if i'd stop getting burned for a second i'd Explain.	05:45
holycow	reinstall until you get the installer answers right	05:45
tehm0nk	it installed fine.	05:45
tehm0nk	until grub.	05:45
holycow	your not getting burned, just relax	05:45
Dr_willis	for a raid setup dosent the /boot need to be on a non raid partition?	05:46
tehm0nk	no?	05:46
holycow	not at all	05:46
tehm0nk	it worked the last two time	05:46
tehm0nk	here is my partition order...	05:46
holycow	but you do want to install grub to the boot sector	05:46
holycow	not to /boot	05:46
holycow	if you install to /boot you may have custom configuration things to go through	05:47
tehm0nk	1. vista swap part 2. linux /boot 3. vista 4. linux swap 5 "/" 6 /home	05:47
maduser	lets see I just download mandriva and now debian....	05:47
maduser	what are other good distros?	05:48
holycow	wrong channel to ask	05:48
holycow	try them all	05:49
holycow	you seem to be complaining but not really expressing what the problem is	05:49
maduser	Me?	05:49
holycow	why switching to begin with?	05:49
holycow	yep	05:49
holycow	just curious	05:49
maduser	I think i didn't test kubuntu enough before i installed it	05:50
holycow	ah you can't get it working?	05:50
tehm0nk	WOAH there is the reason i'm having issues with grub	05:50
holycow	whats the problem?	05:50
Jay-Oh-En	holycow: i have a sata hdd and everything went smooth for me	05:50
holycow	why don't you try installing ubuntu?	05:50
tehm0nk	something completely jacked up my raid setup :-x	05:50
maduser	I don't like gnome	05:50
holycow	so install xfce	05:50
maduser	me want kde	05:50
holycow	or whatever you want	05:50
maduser	might	05:50
holycow	okay so whats the problem?	05:51
maduser	Everything	05:51
holycow	that means nothing	05:51
jalbert	hey can anybody tell me how I can globally change the folders view settings?	05:51
Jay-Oh-En	maduser: if you dont like kubuntu tho only other one i could say use is slackware or pcoslinux	05:51
holycow	this isn't your psychologists chair	05:51
maduser	?	05:51
holycow	whats wrong with kde on ubuntu?	05:51
tehm0nk	holycow: i just got this error: "ERROR: finding sysfs mount point" when i ran dmraid -r	05:51
holycow	it's not a challenge, just curious	05:51
Jay-Oh-En	holycow: i love it	05:51
jalbert	hey can anybody tell me how I can globally change the folders view settings?	05:52
tehm0nk	any ideas on that?	05:52
holycow	in konqueror save the profile for the file view	05:52
jalbert	mmmm... ok	05:52
holycow	tehm0nk: no, i'm sticking with reinstall. i don't feel like debugging poorly configured raid right now	05:52
tehm0nk	wow.	05:53
tehm0nk	ok	05:53
holycow	maduser: so i'm waiting, what kde problems are you running into?	05:53
maduser	well most programs i try to use fail	05:53
maduser	like frets on fire	05:53
holycow	what does that even mean?	05:53
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maduser	It means i am using an operating system that is too powerful for my hardware	05:54
holycow	what are your hardware specs?	05:54
maduser	ati radon	05:54
maduser	256 ram	05:54
maduser	40 gig	05:55
holycow	okay	05:55
holycow	that is more than enough for basics	05:55
holycow	what can't you run?	05:55
maduser	well i want to run compiz and i can its just no great	05:55
jalbert	thanks, holycow.	05:55
maduser	i don't want to reinstall any more	05:56
Jay-Oh-En	maduser: its not kde its your HARDWARE	05:56
maduser	yeah	05:56
Jay-Oh-En	try pcoslinux	05:56
Jay-Oh-En	or slackware	05:56
Jay-Oh-En	they are both really good ones	05:56
holycow	maduser: i want to help but you really are pushing th elimits here	05:56
maduser	downloading them now	05:56
holycow	why don't you actually try explaining what you can't run?	05:57
flaccid	why?	05:57
flaccid	its not going to change anything. i have an ati radeon using compiz fusion..	05:57
holycow	if you think moving to another distro will fix this, you clearly don't know enough about trying to solve the problem	05:57
flaccid	another distro is not going to improve linux support	05:57
holycow	or stop those that do support for free from not giving you a hard time FOR NOT actually answering questions	05:58
maduser	No but I have a crappy computer	05:58
holycow	no you don't	05:58
holycow	your computer is fine	05:58
flaccid	whats the actual problem sorry	05:58
holycow	i've been asking for 20 minutes now	05:58
maduser	well programs that used to work in wine in 7.04 don't work now	05:59
holycow	ah there we go	05:59
holycow	problems running wine	05:59
holycow	lol	05:59
holycow	and you are changing distros for that?	05:59
maduser	then i was playing postal 2 in 7.04 and now it doe snot work	05:59
Jay-Oh-En	wine runs best on kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu	05:59
maduser	then i was playing postal 2 in 7.04 and now it doe not work	05:59
holycow	thats a problem with the version of wine	05:59
holycow	not the distro	05:59
flaccid	can i please ask what the specific problem is. i can't work it out from above	05:59
maduser	no i have the linux version of postal 2	06:00
Jay-Oh-En	holycow: have you ever tried linspire?	06:00
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holycow	no, why would i do something that stupid?	06:00
holycow	:)	06:00
flaccid	you can install any wine on any linux... so changing distros will do nothing	06:00
maduser	I might	06:00
Jay-Oh-En	lol holycowits not stupid i was just asking	06:00
holycow	if you have the linux version of postal, why does wine haveto do with it?	06:00
maduser	then i have to keep on reinstalling	06:00
maduser	its getting very anoying	06:00
flaccid	if you have a wine problem, goto #wine, check the wine db or goto google	06:01
flaccid	this is kubuntu support channel	06:01
holycow	you mean like reading your posts here and you not actually answering any questions?	06:01
maduser	yeah	06:01
Jay-Oh-En	maduser: you never have to reinstall linux	06:01
holycow	now that we agree, follow the advice of flaccid	06:01
Jay-Oh-En	maduser: theres a fix for almost everything	06:01
flaccid	unless you fook libc heh	06:01
maduser	what?	06:02
flaccid	ignore what i said	06:02
maduser	It could just be that i	06:02
maduser	do not like guesty	06:02
Jay-Oh-En	gutsy	06:02
maduser	tha	06:02
holycow	maduser: please go away	06:03
maduser	that	06:03
holycow	you are completely offtopic and no one cares	06:03
holycow	bother the nice folks on #wine, that is where your problem lies	06:03
holycow	this isn't a general chat channel	06:03
maduser	yeah	06:03
maduser	For some reason my sound just stops	06:04
flaccid	!sound \| maduser	06:04
ubotu	maduser: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3	06:04
flaccid	could restart artsd in that case i guess	06:04
unix_infidel	anyone here use eclipse on kubuntu?	06:14
flaccid	yeah every now and then	06:14
ronnie_	anyone alive in here?	06:15
holycow	nope	06:15
ronnie_	hehe ok	06:16
holycow	:)	06:16
mox69	anyone here familiar with dstat ?	06:17
ronnie_	opinions on weather or not I should upgrade from 7.04 (feistyfawn) to 7.10 (gutsygibbon)..???	06:17
flaccid	why do you need to upgrade is the question...	06:18
flaccid	if you want do it for experience or no particular reason then sweet but not all upgrades are smooth so it begs the question	06:18
ronnie_	just wondering if it was alot better or more stable less bugs ??	06:18
holycow	ronnie_: same	06:18
holycow	but if you do upgrade, DON'T dist-upgrade	06:19
unix_infidel	same amount of bugs?	06:19
holycow	install from scratch	06:19
flaccid	every ubuntu release has many bugs	06:19
flaccid	every ubuntu release fixes bugs and creates new ones	06:19
holycow	it MIGHT work but you will have better results if you do it from scratch	06:19
holycow	jsut backup your data	06:20
unix_infidel	Yea last i used Ubuntu was dapper drake.	06:20
flaccid	holycow: thats not an upgrade. you upgrade by doing dist-upgrade. please do not give incorrect advice	06:20
holycow	no its correct advice	06:20
holycow	dist-upgrades on ubuntu are effectively broken	06:20
unix_infidel	It concerns me to see something so tightly integrated has fallen apart.	06:20
unix_infidel	holycow: i doubt that.	06:20
unix_infidel	some people absolutely rely on dist-upgrades and make them work.	06:20
holycow	talk to me when you have 200 ubuntu workstations	06:20
mox69	how about backup your data , then try dist-upgrade	06:21
mox69	thats different obviously	06:21
holycow	until then i recommend following the advice of those with the experience	06:21
unix_infidel	holycow: that's like saying your vpenis proportionately correlated to.....	06:21
mox69	this isnt the kubuntu office workstation channel	06:21
ronnie_	ya first time i tried it (7.10) I just put the fingerprint splash screen to start & it crashed! booted me back to the log in screen! so guess its not too stable haha!!	06:21
holycow	unix_infidel: clearly you are dumbass, welcome to my ignore list	06:21
holycow	ronnie_: no reason you can't try a dist upgrade, just be aware its quite risky	06:22
mox69	holycow: what would trying a dist-upgrade hurt? if it doesnt work then wipe and reinstall	06:22
unix_infidel	heh that being said there's no way to verify the existence of said workstations or competency in managing them.	06:22
* unix_infidel agrees with mox69		06:22
holycow	mox69: or you can do what experienced people do	06:22
holycow	nost waste your time and just wipe and install	06:22
sigma_	does anyone here know how to configure the opensource ati tv out?	06:23
mox69	holycow: how long does an attempted dist-upgrade take vs. how much time it could save... 10 minutes for 2 hours?	06:23
holycow	now if you have the time and like playing no problem	06:23
mot	guys	06:23
mot	i have a very serious question.	06:23
holycow	mox69: try it	06:23
mot	on a scale from 1 to 10	06:23
holycow	if your time isn't worth anything thats okay	06:23
mot	how old do you think michael jackson's boyfriend is?	06:23
mox69	holycow: i have done it already, but obviously im an unexperienced linux novice.	06:23
holycow	mox69: you're simply arguing the wrong point, thats okay	06:24
ronnie_	im not a computer geek so no good at fixing bugs, I either uninstall the program or delete it, when i find any probablem, : )	06:24
mox69	holycow: well im dont arguing, but just because YOU have had problems using dist upgrade on 200 workstations, doesn't mean EVERYONE will have the same problem.	06:24
holycow	ronnie_: well like it has been suggested, try a dist upgrade if you have the time, i'm only giving you a heads up for possible issue. if it works great	06:25
holycow	mox69: please be quiet	06:25
holycow	if you can't even understand the context of the answer i think you should stop right there	06:25
unix_infidel	mox69: some people dont have the option of a wipe / install.	06:25
unix_infidel	if they need to make a broken install work they will.	06:25
mox69	unix_infidel: i agree with you...	06:25
unix_infidel	and the few that will, will document it.	06:26
unix_infidel	I'm not saying any one way is the definte way like holycow. I'm saying, ever since when I was using mandrake 10 there have been people fixing broken upgrades.	06:27
ronnie_	i have the cd, so ya can install from scratch!, only music on this one which i can easily transfer to my mp3 b4 I erase it,	06:27
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ronnie_	tho should I make another copy ,maybe they add fixes to the site?	06:29
holycow	ronnie_: well if you are using it as a webserver, what most people do these days (depending to some degree on situation) is run things like vmware	06:31
holycow	so you run the release as a virtual machine.	06:31
holycow	that way either you publish a new updated image and migrate services over, or you try an upgrade. if it fails you can roll it back	06:32
ronnie_	well I usally install it & slowly find programs (bugs) & just take em out , just thought cause my cd copy was made 1 month or so ago its outdated & the site download would be a better stable copy?	06:35
holycow	ohhh hehe :)	06:36
holycow	THAT i completely misunderstood	06:36
ronnie_	hehe	06:36
holycow	if you have the final cd there is no need to download another. it will download updates over the net	06:37
ronnie_	ya guess so, I first had suse, but useing the update was odd...added tons, even cloned itself or something, & slowed down my computer to a crawl! haha, well besides it already being a low grade slow one!, : )	06:39
jalbert	I am trying to upgrade the distro	06:46
jalbert	from Feisty to Gutsy	06:46
jalbert	and I keep getting 404 errors	06:47
ardchoille	jalbert: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file?	06:48
ardchoille	!pastebin \| jalbert	06:48
ubotu	jalbert: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)	06:48
ronnie_	I bought mandriva2006 my first system, & tvtime worked perfect, but in this (7.04) major! bug!, & in (7.10) program shows up but cant change default to tv (the-input), wish they'd keep the older programs if they work DON'T FIX IT!!! (sheese) : )	06:48
holycow	ubuntu only supports officially something like 2000 pieces of software	06:50
holycow	i'm fairly positive that is something not supported	06:50
ronnie_	oh ok not a specific kubuntu program thats why thx now i know : )	06:50
roconnor	Boy, Kubuntu needs a low disk space pop-up.	06:52
holycow	it has one	06:53
roconnor	apparently lots of strange things can happen when you run out of disk space	06:53
roconnor	holycow: oh, is it new?	06:53
roconnor	I'm running 7.04	06:53
holycow	on gutsy i think yes. it pops up here on one of my partitions	06:53
roconnor	holycow: :)	06:53
roconnor	great, problem solved	06:53
roconnor	although possibly anoying in some situations ;)	06:54
mot	damn	06:56
mot	i setup samba on this kubuntu box and can access shares locally	06:56
mot	but even though i setup users with access, i can't access from my windows box - nothing i try at the login prompt works	06:56
mot	any suggestions?	06:56
holycow	mot not off the top of my head ... i have seen this question many time	06:57
holycow	mot i'm going to suggest to google it as it is a very common question	06:57
Daisuke_Ido	mot: use nfs and download the SFU package for windows.	06:57
holycow	heh or do that	06:58
Daisuke_Ido	but that's an out-there answer	06:58
holycow	it is indeed :)	06:58
Daisuke_Ido	honestly, i feel it's the best solution	06:58
Daisuke_Ido	get rid of the in-between kludge that is samba	06:58
Daisuke_Ido	it's time for windows to support NFS natively	06:58
Daisuke_Ido	(without an additional download)	06:59
holycow	to be honest i've wanted a universal file sharing protocol my self	06:59
holycow	i always thought it would be simpler to write a plugin for windows instead of reverse engineer thier stuff back	06:59
Daisuke_Ido	i think NFS would be the best choice, because it's FS afnostic	06:59
Daisuke_Ido	agnostic	06:59
holycow	nfs has problems too	06:59
Daisuke_Ido	it does, yes	07:00
holycow	appearently nfsv4 is supposed to be good but ... yeah why not	07:00
Daisuke_Ido	it tends to be a teensy bit slow for me	07:00
jalbert	ubotu: pastebinning now	07:02
ronnie_	so is 7.10 just the most modern version of a linux system? or only the most popular?, wish there was a (duh!) blonde version for me muhahaha!!	07:02
holycow	ubotu is a bot btw	07:02
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot btw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	07:02
jalbert	ardchoille: pastebinning now	07:02
holycow	ronnie_: its the most updated COMPILATION of linux + open source software	07:02
holycow	but there are other compilations (distros) of the latest stuff you can use	07:03
ardchoille	ronnie_: http://distrowatch.com/	07:03
ronnie_	k thx, : )	07:03
dibyajyoti	hello folks	07:04
holycow	hi	07:04
dibyajyoti	are u guys working in security domain?	07:04
holycow	highly unlikely anyone with those credentials would be here	07:05
holycow	whats your question?	07:05
jalbert	ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48505/	07:05
dibyajyoti	yah i was asking whether u people are involved in network security doamin?	07:06
holycow	lol	07:07
holycow	:)	07:07
ardchoille	jalbert: Were you getting a 404 on the medibuntu repo?	07:07
jalbert	yes	07:07
jalbert	wait...	07:07
jalbert	lemme check	07:07
ardchoille	jalbert: That's because your sources line is wrong.	07:07
ardchoille	!medibuntu \| jalbert Look here for the correct info	07:07
jalbert	meh?	07:07
ubotu	jalbert Look here for the correct info: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org	07:07
jalbert	what line is wrong?	07:08
ardchoille	jalbert: It's best to just follow the info on the medibuntu site to fix it	07:09
jalbert	ok	07:09
dibyajyoti	i am a newbie to IRC	07:09
ardchoille	jalbert: Also, did you add the medibuntu repo key? If not, you should do that too.	07:09
holycow	dibyajyoti: welcoime	07:09
dibyajyoti	u thank	07:09
dibyajyoti	:)	07:09
jalbert	trying again	07:13
jalbert	...	07:13
brad__	hey...so I'm having trouble with Flash on 64bit Kubuntu	07:14
brad__	it was working for months and then stopped..I tried to uninstall and reinstall...on Konq which I generally use it doesnt freeze the browser but wont show the image	07:15
brad__	and on youtube plays audio but no video	07:15
jalbert	hmmm...	07:15
brad__	and on firefox it either works or it crashed the browser	07:15
holycow	brad__: you had it working?	07:15
brad__	for months	07:15
jalbert	still getting the error	07:15
brad__	and it stopped inexplicably today	07:15
holycow	there is no 64 bit flash ... you must of hack in the 32 bit plug right?	07:15
brad__	and I've uninstalled and reinstalled the nonfree plugin from adept	07:15
brad__	yeah but I think it is a lot easier with gutsy	07:16
brad__	I dont really remember how I did it	07:16
holycow	brad__: there is no 64 bit flash plugin dude	07:16
holycow	how can it possible work?	07:16
jalbert	http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48506/	07:16
brad__	what I do know is that I thought I was going to have to use firefox for all flash applications and it magically worked on konqueror	07:16
holycow	did they automate the flash hack on 64?	07:16
brad__	believe me flash worked for months but you have to do an nspluginwrapper or something like that	07:16
brad__	and then it stopped working at random today	07:16
holycow	well it's impossible, there is no 64 bit flash	07:17
poeticrpm_	on 64bit, use swiftweasel and the blackdown java 1.4 plugin	07:17
brad__	I mean I think I updated things but nothing associated with it	07:17
brad__	well believe me that it worked, it just needs to be installed in 32 bit architecture or something	07:17
brad__	tons of people use flash on their 64 bit os	07:17
holycow	except	07:17
holycow	there is no 64 bit flash	07:17
brad__	I mean we could argue about whether people do or dont if you want, but ubuntuforums for 64 bit are full of people using flash	07:17
holycow	which means that its a hack and i would expect it will break	07:18
brad__	I KNOW THAT, you have to install it in forced 32 bit architecture	07:18
brad__	or something like that	07:18
holycow	i'm just impressed that it's automated	07:18
brad__	and it worked for a really long time	07:18
brad__	then stopped	07:18
brad__	well everyone on 64bit uses flash	07:18
jalbert	ardchoille:still getting the 404 despite following the instructions to fix the sources list	07:18
brad__	and the fact that it still plays sound on youtube but doesnt show a video	07:18
brad__	means its somewhat working	07:18
jalbert	ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48506/	07:19
arrrghhh	so is it true? kde4 final in 25 days?	07:19
jalbert	I added the Medibuntu repositories to the sources file, using the method in those instructions	07:20
holycow	jalbert: what problem are you trying to solve? your the one with 404 errors?	07:20
holycow	brad__: aha neato	07:21
jalbert	yeah	07:21
holycow	brad__: unfortunately i don't know anything about that, i don't run 64 bit	07:21
jalbert	I want to do the upgrade to Gutsy	07:21
holycow	sorry dude	07:21
arrrghhh	jalbert: all you want to do is the gutsy upgrade? sudo update-manager -c	07:22
holycow	well 404 just means you can't reach the servers in your repos	07:22
jalbert	I keep getting 404 errors	07:22
arrrghhh	oh	07:22
arrrghhh	change your repos	07:22
holycow	jalbert: check out what repo is generating it and comment it out.	07:22
holycow	and yeah then change repos	07:23
arrrghhh	i found a site that suggested i let it ping all the servers and 'use the best one' - yea well the best one at that second doesn't mean it's the best one in the long run. i'd just select the repo for your country.	07:23
kraut	moin	07:25
jalbert	I need to get some sleep	07:25
jalbert	I'm seeing monospaced fonts every time I close my eyes	07:26
holycow	heh	07:26
jalbert	I'll seal with this tomorrow.	07:26
jalbert	deal	07:27
jalbert	thanks for the help	07:27
holycow	it takes a while, but once you get over the first bit its super easy	07:27
jalbert	night all	07:29
ardchoille	jalbert: You still did something wrong	07:32
ardchoille	jalbert: Your package manager is trying to fetch from "medibuntu.sos-sts.com" when it should be trying to fetch from "packages.medibuntu.org"	07:33
ardchoille	jalbert: See this section: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-7486ed038a9becc1dff10a24cc07a38a00d70e9f	07:34
holycow	or just take the line out	07:34
holycow	and update and dist-upgrade	07:34
ardchoille	Well, he wants medibuntu I assume	07:34
holycow	good point	07:35
ardchoille	holycow: But yeah, that would get rid of the errors	07:35
mabrothrax	hi !	07:55
mabrothrax	is somebody can say if i can install kubuntu on an old imac G3 ?	07:55
mabrothrax	is there somebody awake ?	07:56
neville	Get the PPC version of Kubuntu	07:57
bazhang	mabrothrax: which version? gutsy?	07:57
bazhang	!ppc \| mabrothrax	07:57
ubotu	mabrothrax: PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ	07:57
cvg54	hola buenas	07:58
bazhang	!es \| cvg54	07:58
ubotu	cvg54: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.	07:58
cvg54	alguno sabe como instalar kde4 rc2 SIN FALLOS? me da error cuando hay que poner aquello de cp	07:59
mabrothrax	ubotu: i read your link, v7.10 is latest no? isn't it too "heavy" for a G3	08:00
bazhang	cvg54: this is an english channel; you should click on the link #kubuntu-es	08:00
cvg54	ok	08:00
bazhang	mabrothrax: perhaps; though he is a bot :}	08:00
mabrothrax	ok ! first stupid question ! ;)	08:01
bazhang	haha	08:01
ardchoille	lol	08:01
Daisuke_Ido	there are no stupid questions	08:01
bazhang	mabrothrax: you might want to try xubuntu on that	08:02
Daisuke_Ido	inane, retarded, and pointless, yes. but not stupid :)	08:02
jussi__	!gutsy \| mabrothrax	08:02
ubotu	mabrothrax: Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents	08:02
Daisuke_Ido	(that was referring to questions in general, not yours specifically)	08:02
mabrothrax	at this link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/ i can see dapper / feity / gusty / 6.06 / 7.04 / 7.10 is it the same ?	08:03
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jussi01	mabrothrax: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/gutsy/release/	08:04
mabrothrax	gusty's the last one, is there a ppc version on kbuntu 5 (2005) ?	08:06
jussi01	mabrothrax: why would you ask?	08:07
jussi01	mabrothrax: this isnt windows, it is better to run the latest one even on old hw...	08:07
mabrothrax	cause i'm affraid it can't work properly on a G3 with v 6 or 7...	08:08
jussi01	mabrothrax: but as pointed out earlier - try xubuntu as it is much lighter.	08:08
earl_	so i'm trying KDE4	08:08
earl_	but i can't get it to start from KDM	08:08
earl_	when i log into a KDE4 session i just get booted right back to the login screen. no error message.	08:09
earl_	just a black screen for a split second, and then the login screen. what gives?	08:09
kapubaten	hi. i just install kubuntu 6.01 in my computer. how can i get extra package	08:09
bazhang	better to try the livecd at this point earl_	08:09
earl_	is it possible to install from the livecd?	08:09
bazhang	earl_: install kubuntu? yes	08:10
earl_	how do you do it? i have the livecd but I couldn't find a way to install from it	08:10
bazhang	earl_: oh the kde4 live cd? no idea then	08:10
mabrothrax	ok , i gonna try it... thank you all ! powerpc ? linux - powa ! bye !	08:10
earl_	right that's the problem	08:11
earl_	id like to try KDE4 withotu the cd	08:11
earl_	is there at least something i could look at to find the error	08:12
earl_	because i have no clues right now	08:12
bazhang	lots of problems with kde4 afaik right now earl_	08:12
earl_	last time i came in here and asked about it i was told it was actually pretty stable	08:12
holycow	the topic has installation instructions if you have kubuntu/ubuntu already installed somewhere	08:12
holycow	no guarantee it will work	08:12
earl_	holycow: those are the instrucitons i used; i didnt do the last part though. i was told it wasn't necessary.	08:13
earl_	with xephyr and all that.	08:13
holycow	not necessary no	08:13
holycow	so when you logout, you don't have an option to select the kde4 session?	08:13
earl_	no i do	08:14
holycow	k. then?	08:14
earl_	i pick KDE4 then log in, and the screen just flashes black and i get the login screen	08:14
earl_	it doesnt even like lock up	08:14
earl_	it does this int he course of about 3 seconds	08:14
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holycow	yeah its not working on your box	08:14
earl_	as in, ever?	08:14
holycow	well for right now	08:14
earl_	is there any particular reason?	08:15
earl_	the live cd works..	08:15
holycow	well there is always a particular reason with computers	08:15
holycow	computers don't do random things	08:15
holycow	ther eis something about your setup that makes it do that	08:15
earl_	right	08:15
holycow	hard to know what	08:15
earl_	well i was going to do a clean install of linux soon anyway	08:16
earl_	because i made a bit of a mess of things messing around with different programs for the sake of eye-candy	08:16
earl_	do you think it'd be more likely to work on a clean install?	08:16
holycow	that might be part of it	08:16
holycow	earl_: much more likely yes	08:16
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holycow	chances are you configured something strange thats interfering with kde4 being able to startup	08:17
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earl_	then i'll give that a shot.	08:17
earl_	one more question, do you by any chance use 64bit?	08:17
holycow	no	08:18
earl_	hm	08:18
earl_	alright	08:18
earl_	thanks	08:18
neville	Lol, 50% of vmware workstation done since yesterday afternoon =]	08:23
holycow	time to get off dialup?	08:24
Greeny_	(holycow) time to get off dialup?	08:26
Greeny_	WOW	08:26
Greeny_	I didn't know they still did dialup :p	08:26
holycow	it was a joke, but a lot of places have only dialup actually	08:26
holycow	a goo dnumber of our offices are in remote locations, dialup only	08:27
Greeny_	:o	08:27
neville	I do use dialup -_-v	08:30
llutz	it's ok if they don't have to transfer big data-masses	08:31
tazgodx	anyone know how to send a file over SSH to another computer in terminal?	08:31
neville	208Mb isn't that bad	08:31
holycow	tazgodx: man scp or google some examples of commands	08:31
llutz	tazgodx: scp/sftp	08:32
sub[t]rnl	rsync too	08:32
tazgodx	thanks	08:32
mabrothrax	re !	08:37
mabrothrax	i found some informations about imac G3... i'll give you	08:37
mabrothrax	Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) For Apple Macintosh G3, G4, and G5 computers, including iBooks and PowerBooks as well as IBM OpenPower machines.	08:38
mabrothrax	You will need at least 192MB of RAM to install from this CD.	08:38
mabrothrax	and "hopp!"	08:38
mabrothrax	see ya !	08:38
ardchoille	Is there a search facility in Kubuntu that will search my files, kaddressbook items, kmail emails, etc all from one app? Strigi just doesn't seem to suit me.	08:41
noaXess	hi all	08:45
noaXess	how can i repair my whole kde installation.. its a fresh intall..	08:45
noaXess	i can login, but see only my background image and nothing more... nothing happens	08:48
waltercool_eee	someone have used a laptop with a VGA monitor?	08:48
llutz	noaXess: press ctrl-alt-f1, log in as user, type "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old" , press ctrl-alt-f7 again and try to log in.	08:49
ardchoille	noaXess: Do you get anything with alt+f2?	08:50
noaXess	ok.. it work now.... some image that i have mounted was blocking kde.. why i don't know..	08:50
llutz	noaXess: but maybe it's a good idea to check /var/log/kdm.log before	08:50
noaXess	ardchoille: have tried it but now.. but now it worl	08:50
noaXess	work	08:50
llutz	ah ok	08:50
ardchoille	ok	08:50
noaXess	just back on my kubuntu :)	09:07
poeticrpm_	is there any devs in here?	09:07
poeticrpm_	noaXess: hows it running?	09:08
ActionParsnip	hey all	09:09
* ActionParsnip waves		09:09
Lynoure	poeticrpm_: usually there are some, but there is #kubuntu-devs one can join to talk to more of them, I think	09:09
sub[t]rnl	heya ActionParsnip	09:10
ActionParsnip	sub[t]rnl, you ok?	09:10
sub[t]rnl	always	09:10
poeticrpm_	well, for what its worth, I just wanted to tell the Kubuntu community, awesome job! 7.10 has been a very good release	09:11
ActionParsnip	poeticrpm_, yeah man its pretty sweet	09:11
poeticrpm_	I had 7.04, and I had a lot of issues- it seems the issues have been ironed out with 7.10	09:12
poeticrpm_	want a VERY weird problem?	09:12
ActionParsnip	poeticrpm_, not had an issue with either but ALL my hardware is Linux friendly :D	09:12
poeticrpm_	so is mine!	09:12
ActionParsnip	poeticrpm_, www.efficientpc.co.uk	09:13
poeticrpm_	nvidia, intel, atheros- thats pretty good	09:13
ActionParsnip	poeticrpm_, whats the weird problem?	09:13
Lynoure	I remember feeling the other way around... my linux-friendly hardware stopped being friends at 7.10 when it comes to suspend	09:13
Lynoure	oh well, cannot have everything.	09:13
poeticrpm_	hehe.. I dont have it know, I had it on 7.04	09:13
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, just leave your pc on and turn off monitor :D	09:13
Lynoure	ActionParsnip: it's a laptop... hibernate and suspend come very handy on those	09:14
poeticrpm_	amarok and kaffeine would crash, and thumbnails wouldnt load, but only if I didnt have an internet connection	09:14
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, how long does it take to cold boot?	09:14
poeticrpm_	as soon as I had a connection, theyd work flawlessly	09:14
Lynoure	ActionParsnip: Never timed it, but it looses state on web pages and tries to reload them	09:14
llutz	Lynoure: same problem here with several notebooks, suspend/resume still seems to be lottery with linux-systems :(	09:15
Lynoure	llutz: I want a new ticket =)	09:15
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, couldnt you reconfig you browser somehow. Personally I've never used suspend. I just shutdown	09:15
ActionParsnip	poeticrpm_, let me google	09:16
Lynoure	ActionParsnip: If you know how on konqueror and ff, I'll gladly give it a try.	09:16
fgeyser	morning all	09:16
poeticrpm_	actionparsnip.. dont worry about it	09:16
Lynoure	ActionParsnip: I don't even know how to make konsole show the earlier going-ons over boot	09:17
Lynoure	it does not seem to get saved with session	09:17
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, history is a good command	09:17
poeticrpm_	it was on 7.04, im on 7.10 now- I searched for days and tried everything- its the only problem to date I couldnt fix	09:17
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, or just press your up cursor	09:17
Lynoure	ActionParsnip: yes, but it does not show the results of commands, just the commands	09:18
Lynoure	and usually it's both I'd want to see, to get a sense of what I was doing.	09:18
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, how does suspend give you the results of the command Do you mean the shell window scrolling so you can see all the outputs?	09:18
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, just curious an all :D	09:19
Lynoure	ActionParsnip: both suspend and hibernate save the current state of everything, yes. Was that what you meant? I'm too ill to troubleshoot the suspend process today, sorry.	09:20
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, yeah. just curious what you meant. I just shook off a cough from hell too man. no worries	09:20
Lynoure	I had scheduled to do a full attack on it, this time with a friend, on Friday, but that got postponed till I have my brainz back.	09:21
bazhang	garlic crushed finely in soup will fix you right up--sorry about the offtopic	09:21
Lynoure	bazhang: probably not.	09:21
Lynoure	bazhang: but thanks :)	09:22
bazhang	Lynoure: you are too valuable to lose to the flu :}	09:22
Lynoure	Very kind of you.	09:23
bazhang	just the truth	09:23
ActionParsnip	Lynoure, hot lemonade with honey compiled into your kernel ;)	09:24
Lynoure	ActionParsnip: anyway, the suspend seems to suspend, just not recover. Similar symptom on hibernate, if I remember right.	09:25
sigma_kubuntu	i get that too!	09:26
ActionParsnip	Seems to be a big issue. Maybe they should really push for suspend to be better	09:27
sigma_kubuntu	i agree. wonder if it works for anyone	09:28
llutz	ActionParsnip: they try, problem are all those crippled Bios and closed-source drivers	09:28
sigma_kubuntu	at least it half works :)	09:28
sigma_kubuntu	thing is the pc comes out of suspend but not the monitor? mine works bt if its suspended 4more than say 5 mins it wont come out - which dont help much	09:30
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tony__	hello	09:32
bazhang	hi tony__	09:32
sigma_kubuntu	hi tony got a question?	09:32
tony__	no no question just new to this	09:33
sigma_kubuntu	to linux u mean?	09:34
tony__	not to linux just konversation and irc	09:36
bazhang	here be dragons	09:37
ActionParsnip	tony__, use tab to autocomplete names :D	09:37
tony__	cool	09:38
tony__	?? can I use this program to get into yahoo chat	09:39
bazhang	if you find a way to do so, let us all know :}	09:39
bazhang	pidgin can though do both iirc	09:41
bazhang	kopete as well I believe	09:43
ActionParsnip	has anyone seen Ubuntu installed on a Nokia N810	09:53
bazhang	someone did it on a N95 iirc	09:53
kristjan_	kde4 ftw!	09:53
ActionParsnip	bazhang, haha ace :D	09:54
white_eagle	kde 4, when?	09:55
bazhang	totally useless, but cool nonetheless	09:55
kristjan_	bazhang: I got addicted to it, too late turn back :-)	09:56
bazhang	kristjan_: I meant the N95 install not kde4 silly :}	09:56
kristjan_	haha	09:57
ActionParsnip	Kde4 = January 11th 2008 :D	09:59
ardchoille	I'm looking for a search solution for kubuntu. Looked at beagle in the repos. It pulls in lots of gnome, gtk and mono dependencies. Isn't there a kde/qt app that does the same thing without having to pull in a lot of gnome/gtk/mono deps?	10:04
kristjan_	ardchoille: strigi	10:05
kristjan_	ardchoille: but with less features	10:05
ardchoille	kristjan_: I was about to say that.. and I don't like the web interface strigi has	10:05
kristjan_	ardchoille: beagle has kde interface "kerry" not sure about dep. though	10:06
opdensteinen	hi	10:06
ardchoille	Yes, kerry looks nice, but beagle pulls in too many gnome/gtk/mono deps	10:06
opdensteinen	name hi	10:06
jussi01	!hi \| opdensteinen	10:06
ubotu	opdensteinen: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!	10:06
opdensteinen	hi thx	10:07
opdensteinen	its great	10:07
opdensteinen	^	10:07
kristjan_	ardchoille: I myself like "locate:/" ;-)	10:07
opdensteinen	does anyone know how to change my nick	10:07
opdensteinen	???	10:07
ActionParsnip	what about kat	10:07
jussi01	opdensteinen: /nick newnickhere	10:07
llutz	opdensteinen: /nick newnick	10:07
ActionParsnip	ardchoille, tried kat?	10:07
ActionParsnip	!kat \| ardchoille	10:07
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ubotu	ardchoille: Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)	10:07
Gogoacquan	thx a lot	10:08
jussi01	!register \| Gogoacquan	10:08
ubotu	Gogoacquan: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration	10:08
ardchoille	Oh, there's a kio slave for beagle? This just got more interesting	10:08
ActionParsnip	ardchoille, google is your friend ;)	10:08
ardchoille	:)	10:09
ActionParsnip	or www.ask.com too (website previews are sweeeet)	10:09
Jay-Oh-En	is there a howto to install frets on fire or can anybody help me here	10:13
Gogoacquan	does anyone know a programm for watching tv???^^	10:13
ActionParsnip	!mythtv " Gogoacquan	10:13
finek	!mythtv	10:14
ActionParsnip	!mythtv \| Gogoacquan	10:14
ubotu	MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV	10:14
ubotu	Gogoacquan: please see above	10:14
Gogoacquan	thx	10:14
ActionParsnip	Gogoacquan, np man	10:15
ardchoille	Well, strigidaemon crashes when I search for anything or start the daemon	10:25
jussi01	Is anyone familiar with scribus? how do I make borders around an item?	10:28
wwbwwb	cn	10:29
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jussi01	wwbwwb: can we help?	10:31
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girolamo	!italiano	10:35
ubotu	Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!	10:35
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werner__	Hi! Anybody working with evolution and Bogofilter under KDE?	10:46
wwbwwb	kubuntu cn	10:47
ardchoille	wwbwwb: Can we help you with something?	10:48
jussi01	!cn \| wwbwwb	10:48
ubotu	wwbwwb: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw 或者 #ubuntu-hk	10:48
ardchoille	Ah, thanks jussi01	10:48
werner__	I installe Evolution, bogofilter is installed. EVO doesn't show the bogofilter option in JUNK	10:48
werner__	Last time I insted EVO it was no prob	10:50
werner__	any ideas?	10:50
se7en	ok how do i get kde4 to work... what do i have to download	10:52
Lynoure	se7en: this page has instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php	10:54
se7en	thanks Lynoure	10:54
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finek	is anyone has flash which works?	11:06
SBucatone	??	11:07
SBucatone	flash to view youtubben ?	11:07
SBucatone	of course yes	11:07
finek	for example	11:07
finek	how to install it	11:07
SBucatone	!flash	11:07
ubotu	To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash	11:07
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finek	ok thx	11:09
finek	!java	11:12
ubotu	To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.	11:12
kedde	I have a problem with my wireless it's really slow I tried to add "alias ipv6 off" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist when I use a cable it runs ok. I'm sitting at my school the have a really good connection normally I have a speed on over 300kb/s but now the speed is max. 50 kb/s	11:15
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ninjagambit_	your not going to get it to work if your using kubuntu 64bit	11:18
ninjagambit_	but i was just thinking maby if i use wine and run windows version of firefox	11:20
ninjagambit_	maby then flash will work	11:20
finek	http://wklej.org/id/10e0e735b8	11:20
Sbucat	hello problem with kommander how can i create an installer for my gui ?	11:20
kedde	I'm using kubuntu 32 bit	11:20
onishidato	hey guys, i have 2 HD, one for Linux, and one for WinXP, when i try to use my WinXP HD from Kubuntu, they say that: "half-storage-fixed mount refused uid 1000" so i don't know what's wrong? what can i do now?	11:20
finek	what means this error	11:20
ninjagambit_	if your using 32 bit hit alt space type in adept hit enter	11:21
ninjagambit_	then type in flash	11:21
ninjagambit_	in the search bar	11:21
ninjagambit_	install flash plugin	11:21
onishidato	hey guys, i have 2 HD, one for Linux, and one for WinXP, when i try to use my WinXP HD from Kubuntu, they say that: "half-storage-fixed mount refused uid 1000" so i don't know what's wrong? what can i do now?	11:22
ninjagambit_	beats me onishifdato	11:23
ninjagambit_	maby reboot and go to boot menu	11:23
ninjagambit_	go in win xp	11:23
onishidato	cause i can not use XP anymore, they have virus inside, so i just wanna take all my data to Linux, safer place:D	11:24
Zombocom	herro	11:25
ninjagambit_	i just put it all on a disk	11:25
ninjagambit_	then moved it	11:25
ninjagambit_	that way	11:25
ninjagambit_	well multiple dvd disk acctually	11:26
onishidato	does anyone have another way??	11:26
kedde	how do you mount you windows disk?	11:27
ninjagambit_	!mount	11:27
ubotu	Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter	11:27
ninjagambit_	!fstab	11:28
ubotu	The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions	11:28
ninjagambit_	!DiskMounter	11:28
ubotu	To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE	11:28
ninjagambit_	!Partitions	11:28
ubotu	Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter	11:28
ninjagambit_	!NTFS-3g	11:28
ubotu	ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions	11:28
ninjagambit_	!FUSE	11:29
ubotu	FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE. Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems	11:29
finek	!gnash	11:29
ubotu	An open source flash replacement. It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/	11:29
ninjagambit_	does that help	11:29
ardchoille	!botabuse	11:29
ubotu	Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.	11:29
Zombocom	is there a command that loads a file off the internet?	11:31
Zombocom	for the terminal?	11:31
ardchoille	Zombocom: You mean download a file?	11:32
Zombocom	yes	11:32
ninjagambit_	yeah	11:32
ardchoille	Zombocom: wget http://www.blah.com/somefile	11:32
Zombocom	thank you	11:32
ardchoille	yw	11:32
ardchoille	Zombocom: wget will download the file to the directory you are currently in	11:32
Zombocom	thank you	11:33
ninjagambit_	just curious ardchoille but how do you guys get those links so fast	11:33
ardchoille	ninjagambit_: Which links>	11:33
ardchoille	?	11:33
Zombocom	lol	11:34
ninjagambit_	I just see alot of people here that can pull web links out in like a sec	11:34
ninjagambit_	for almost any topic	11:34
Zombocom	http://www.blah.com/somefile is not a real page	11:34
ardchoille	That was just an example of how to use wget	11:34
ninjagambit_	lol	11:34
ninjagambit_	sorry its late here	11:35
Zombocom	lol	11:35
ninjagambit_	5:30 AM	11:35
Zombocom	lol	11:35
Zombocom	it's like 3:35 am here	11:36
Zombocom	and I just woke up	11:36
ninjagambit_	lol	11:36
ninjagambit_	early riser	11:36
sigma_kubuntu	why does canonical not reply to emails?	11:36
Zombocom	lol ninjagambit_ it's an anomaly trust me	11:37
ninjagambit_	lol	11:37
ninjagambit_	wouldnt think a guy with a name like zombocom would be a early riser	11:38
Zombocom	ninjagambit_ normally I wake up like 10	11:38
Zombocom	10 am	11:38
Zombocom	once I woke up at 1:30 pm	11:38
ninjagambit_	8 to 12 if im not working	11:38
ninjagambit_	sometimes 1 or2 in the afternoon after nights like this	11:39
Zombocom	lol	11:40
ninjagambit_	unless my kid starts jumping on my head and shouting wake up	11:42
finek	!multiverse	11:43
ubotu	The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu	11:43
ninjagambit_	finek: thank ubotu for his help	11:44
finek	;)	11:44
ardchoille	!botsnack	11:44
ubotu	Yum! Err, I mean, APT!	11:44
ninjagambit_	lol	11:45
ninjagambit_	ubotu is crazy	11:45
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about is crazy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	11:45
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ninjagambit_	its ok we love you ubotu	11:46
ninjagambit_	what every you do dont he dosnt know very much	11:47
ninjagambit_	ever	11:47
ninjagambit_	!APT	11:48
ubotu	APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)	11:49
ninjagambit_	well im going to bed now	11:50
ninjagambit_	its been fun	11:50
ninjagambit_	g'night	11:50
ninjagambit_	good night ubotu	11:50
Zombocom	whats the command to make something an executable?	11:53
ardchoille	Zombocom: chmod u+x file	11:56
Zombocom	thank you	11:56
Zombocom	wait ardchoille isn't it chmod +x file?	11:56
ardchoille	Zombocom: You don't really want to make it executable to everyone, just the user (owner), for security reasons	11:57
Zombocom	ah	11:57
Zombocom	thanks	11:57
Zombocom	so it's u+x	11:57
Zombocom	got it	11:57
ardchoille	Zombocom: You can make it executable to everyone with: chmod a+x file	11:57
ardchoille	But that's not really a good idea	11:58
Zombocom	can you turn a bash script into an executable?	11:58
Zombocom	or how do you do that	11:58
ardchoille	bash scripts should be executable for them to work as expected, yes	11:58
Zombocom	lol	11:59
Zombocom	thanks	11:59
ActionParsnip	ardchoille, chmod +x <bash script>	11:59
ardchoille	or, for bash scripts, you can launch it without it being executable: sh file.sh	11:59
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Zombocom	srsly	11:59
Zombocom	aw	11:59
Arilou	!mount	11:59
ubotu	Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter	11:59
ardchoille	ActionParsnip: Better to make it only executable for the owner	11:59
Arilou	!diskmounter	12:00
ubotu	To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE	12:00
dcorbin_work	What is the correct (kubuntu) way to enable/disable init.d scripts for various runtime levels?	12:00
jussi01	ardchoille: if its a bash script shoud you not run: bash file.sh ?	12:00
ActionParsnip	jussi01, you can just make it executable then just tye the file name	12:00
Zombocom	when running a bash script that's in /bin/bash/	12:01
ardchoille	jussi01: I would think if the first line were #!/bin/bash then yes, but most of the scripts I have seen are #!/bin/sh and are better being run with sh as the shell will determine what is needed	12:01
Zombocom	oh wow	12:01
jussi01	ardchoille: yes, of course you are correct.	12:01
Zombocom	so you just type (if the file is in /bin/bash) bash file?	12:01
ardchoille	Zombocom: You can do that if you want, yes	12:02
Zombocom	ardchoille you're acting as if it's the less effective way of doing it	12:02
neville	What is Zombo?	12:02
neville	I found this website called exactly that, and I have no idea what it is	12:02
ActionParsnip	Zombocom, you put #!/bin/bash at the top of every bash script. If you make the script file executable (chmod +x <file>) it can be ran from the gui	12:03
ardchoille	Zombocom: bash file.sh will try to run the file with bash, if the file isn't meant to run with bash, you could get an error. when you run the file with sh file.sh, the shell ill determine what is best (sh or bash or other) and attempt to run it with that	12:03
ActionParsnip	neville, its a really small low power consumption desktop system based on gentoo	12:03
Zombocom	ah ardchoille you never cease to amaze me	12:04
Zombocom	I just wonder if you ever sleep	12:04
ardchoille	sleep? what's that?	12:04
ardchoille	;)	12:04
bazhang	haha	12:04
jussi01	!opsnack \| ardchoille	12:05
ubotu	ardchoille: Chocolate! And Peanuts!	12:05
ardchoille	W00T!	12:05
Zombocom	ardchoille why aren't you an admin here	12:06
ActionParsnip	cat sleep > /usr/ardchoille	12:06
Zombocom	you're the only person who really helps people out	12:06
Zombocom	all the time	12:06
Zombocom	there are people that help out really well some of the time	12:06
tekteen	agreed	12:06
Zombocom	but almost every time I come in here i get helped by ardchoille	12:06
jussi01	hehe	12:07
tekteen	!helpersnack \| ardchoille	12:07
ubotu	ardchoille: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!	12:07
ardchoille	It's because I have no life, lol	12:07
jussi01	ardchoille: what are you on... this _is_ life...	12:07
ardchoille	hehe	12:07
ActionParsnip	is there any way to extract the SSID you are connected to wirelessly?	12:08
ActionParsnip	i want just the ssid. I am connected to my network but i was hoping i could use in in some scripts	12:10
tekteen	ActionParsnip: u mean using iwconfig?	12:12
ActionParsnip	tekteen, i just want to extract which ssid i'm connected to for use in scripts	12:13
ActionParsnip	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifconfig	12:13
tekteen	ok	12:13
ActionParsnip	tekteen, iwconfig may be good too	12:13
ActionParsnip	i basically want to grep OSU_PUB out of this example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iwconfig	12:14
tekteen	ActionParsnip: iwconfig \| grep ESSID: \| awk -F ':' {'print $2'}	12:14
tekteen	ActionParsnip: test that out	12:15
postg	hello, what command to upgrade to 7.10?	12:15
ardchoille	!upgrade \| postg	12:15
ubotu	postg: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes	12:15
tekteen	ActionParsnip?	12:16
ActionParsnip	tekteen, i'm not on my linux system. I'm on XP Pro at work.I'll give it a go at home dude. I appreciate it :D	12:16
tekteen	ok	12:16
postg	thanks ardchoille and ubotu	12:16
postg	I have read that	12:17
tekteen	ActionParsnip: u still here?	12:17
ardchoille	postg: yw	12:17
ActionParsnip	tekteen, i want my home drive to map over wan if i am not in my own wireless lan basically	12:17
postg	but what the command in shell to upgrade it from 7.04->7.10	12:17
tekteen	ok	12:17
postg	not from apt-gui manager	12:17
tekteen	ActionParsnip: I want to add to that command	12:18
Arilou	I was trying to activate an ATI card following the instructions on the website, but something went wrong and it got canceled, now I get a message saying I got to manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' but when I do I get a message saying that operation requires a superuser privelege, how do I cancel it so I can try again?	12:18
tekteen	iwconfig wlan0 \| grep ESSID: \| awk -F ':' {'print $2'}	12:18
tekteen	ActionParsnip: iwconfig wlan0 \| grep ESSID: \| awk -F ':' {'print $2'}	12:18
postg	will this <simple> command do the upgrade? sudo apt-get upgrade	12:18
tekteen	ActionParsnip: where wlan0=your wlan interface	12:18
sub[t]rnl	sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	12:19
jussi01	Arilou: run: sudo dpkg --configure -a	12:19
postg	thanks	12:19
Arilou	jussi01: thanks a lot! ^_^	12:20
jussi01	:)	12:20
ActionParsnip	tekteen, cheers man i'll give it a whirl a bit later :D	12:20
Zombocom	if I have a custom cursor that I use in windows	12:20
postg	^_^	12:20
Zombocom	can I transfer it over to linux?	12:20
ActionParsnip	Zombocom, what format is the cursor?	12:23
Zombocom	let me check	12:23
Zombocom	.cur and .ani	12:24
Arilou	How do I Make sure fglrx is not disabled in the DISABLED_MODULES part: kdesu kate /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common?	12:25
jussi01	Arilou: run that command from konsole and look!	12:25
Arilou	jussi01: oh there is a comand?	12:26
jussi01	Arilou: kdesu kate /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common	12:26
Arilou	jussi01: oki oki, brb	12:26
jussi01	:)	12:26
ActionParsnip	Zombocom, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343748 about 70% down	12:28
sigma_	where are kubuntu system icons stored?	12:29
Arilou	jussi01: I got another window poped up, it's very weird as it seems part of a code but at least it doesn't seem to have anything disabled ( DISABLED_MODULES="" )	12:29
jussi01	Arilou: after you put in you password?	12:29
jussi01	so if there is nothing there, then fglrx is not in the disabled modules... hooray!	12:30
Arilou	jussi01: yup yup, after pw, I'm a bit forward on the guide now	12:31
jussi01	:)	12:31
Sbucat	!ot	12:46
ubotu	#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!	12:46
ActionParsnip	!curlftpfs	12:50
ubotu	Sorry, I don't know anything about curlftpfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi	12:50
wesley	hello adept crashed again and its now read only	12:50
ardchoille	!adeptfix	12:50
ubotu	If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »	12:50
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grtey	does someone know how to connect via noki gprs to the internet	13:02
jussi01	grtey: there is some info on the wiki	13:03
Arilou	I failed on something setting the controler for my ATI card and now, no matter how many times I restart my comp, it doesn't give me a graphic interfase, all I get is the prompt. Is there anyway to fix it or I have to reinstall for 3rd time today?	13:03
ardchoille	Arilou: Maybe the ati video page, under the "troubleshooting" section?	13:04
ardchoille	!ati	13:04
ubotu	To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto	13:04
tyfon	Arilou: see if you have any /etc/X11/xorg.conf.# (some number).. backups are usually saved this way	13:06
tyfon	try to restore the oldest one and see what happens	13:06
Zombocom	when any of my friends try to install linux on their computers	13:06
Zombocom	jack shit happens	13:06
Zombocom	I mean	13:06
Zombocom	sorry for the swearing	13:06
Zombocom	it will install	13:06
Arilou	tyfon: omg you're my hero, let me check that	13:06
Zombocom	but then if you try to run it	13:06
Zombocom	it freezes	13:06
Arilou	tyfon: could you help me a bit? I'm running from CD so I don't know how to get there	13:07
tyfon	do you know what partition you installed to?	13:07
adaran	hey everyone	13:07
Arilou	tyfon: it's the only linux partition so I hope so	13:07
adaran	where can i find the current maintainer apt key?	13:08
tyfon	Arilou: press the computer next to the K menu and select storage media	13:08
tyfon	se if anyone is the same size as your linux partition	13:08
Arilou	tyfon: uid 999	13:09
tyfon	uid 999? :p	13:09
Arilou	tyfon: hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999	13:10
tyfon	oh ok	13:10
tyfon	open a terminal	13:10
Arilou	tyfon: I'm following you	13:10
tyfon	do you have more then one harddrive and is it ide or sata?	13:10
Arilou	tyfon: 2 sata	13:11
tyfon	and linux is on the 2nd?	13:11
Arilou	tyfon: on the first	13:11
tyfon	ah ok	13:11
tyfon	type sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda	13:11
tyfon	see if you see any drives with Linux as the system	13:12
Arilou	tyfon: yes I see /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3	13:13
tyfon	is one swap?	13:13
Arilou	tyfon: sda3 is swap but I don't know what is sda2	13:13
tyfon	ok	13:13
tyfon	type sudo mkdir /linux && sudo mount /dev/sda2 /linux	13:13
tyfon	cd /linux/etc/X11/	13:14
tyfon	ls	13:14
tyfon	and you should see the files	13:14
Arilou	all I see with ls is Desktop (on blue color)	13:14
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tyfon	hmm	13:15
Arilou	no wait	13:15
Arilou	I see some files, some config.0 one	13:15
tyfon	xorg.conf?	13:15
Arilou	xorg.conf.original-0	13:15
tyfon	try sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak	13:16
tyfon	sudo cp xorg.conf.original-0 xorg.conf	13:16
tyfon	and see if you get graphics when you start the system	13:16
Arilou	kk it renamed the xorg.conf	13:16
tyfon	are there noone that looks like xorg.conf.1?	13:17
Arilou	nop, no one	13:17
tyfon	well see if the original-0 works at least	13:17
tyfon	:)	13:17
Arilou	xorg.conf and a wavy symbol like - like xorg.conf- but with a wavy -	13:18
tyfon	oh	13:18
tyfon	try sudo cp xorg.conf~ xorg.conf instead then :)	13:18
Arilou	one second I can't make that symbol, I'll try to set my keyboard to spanish, maybe that way I can	13:19
Arilou	I can't make that wavy symbol =(	13:20
tyfon	hmm	13:21
tyfon	you can copy/paste it :)	13:21
Arilou	in windows I just press and hold ALT + 126 and I get that wavy thingie	13:21
Arilou	isn't there a similar way?	13:21
ardchoille	Arilou: The key to the left of the "!" key?	13:22
Arilou	no, the ~	13:22
jussi01	Arilou: which keyboard layout?	13:22
Arilou	oh got it	13:22
tyfon	i'm using a norwegian keyboard and its a bit diffrent here :p	13:22
Arilou	if I do try sudo cp xorg.conf~ xorg.conf I will have 2 xorg.conf right?	13:23
Arilou	cuz we renamed the xorg.conf.original-0 to xorg.conf	13:24
tyfon	no it will overwrite	13:24
tyfon	but that is ok	13:24
tyfon	:)	13:24
Arilou	kk	13:25
tyfon	now you can reboot the system and see if you have graphics	13:25
Arilou	oki oki, if this works I may learn to do it even on that nasty prompt login	13:26
Arilou	so if I mess the install again I will be able to retry without reinstalling all	13:26
tyfon	yes.. but the files will be in /etc/X11 and not /linux/etc/X11 then	13:26
tyfon	if it doesnt work now try the original-0 file	13:26
Arilou	thanks a lot tyfon, I hope to see you here real fast and I wish you best luck ever and thanks ^_^	13:26
Arilou	oki oki	13:27
ongntwrk	hellloooooo	13:40
ongntwrk	:)	13:40
poeticrpm_	helo	13:40
poeticrpm_	hello*	13:40
ongntwrk	lol	13:40
Arilou	jussi01: it worked! ^_^	13:40
ongntwrk	tryin to install php	13:40
ongntwrk	its giving me problems	13:41
ongntwrk	an help	13:41
jussi01	!lamp \| ongntwrk	13:41
ubotu	ongntwrk: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)	13:41
jussi01	Arilou: great!!	13:41
ongntwrk	thks	13:41
jussi01	:)	13:42
ongntwrk	but i've already installed ubunty	13:42
Arilou	jussi01: Arilou vs ATI drivers part 4 now....	13:42
ongntwrk	dont wana restart it	13:42
stdin	ongntwrk: that link tells you how to install apache+mysql+php on an already installed system, give it a read	13:43
ongntwrk	thks	13:46
ongntwrk	:)	13:46
arbus	has anyone successfully done a kubuntu-desktop install on hardy alpha1? I did a standard install and then tried to do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. The dependencies are broken.	13:54
stdin	arbus: hardy support in #ubuntu+1	13:56
arbus	thanks	13:56
Jevon	I need help setting up internet sharing between two kubuntu systems, no router. Ideas?	14:02
titanix88	jevon use two lan cards!	14:04
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Jevon	both systems are networked	14:04
titanix88	then add aditional lan cards. it wont matter.	14:06
Jevon	one computer cannot be added to	14:06
Jevon	what would an addiditional lan card do for me anyways	14:07
frojnd	how can I rename more than one file extension? rename .asp .html ??? like this?	14:07
Chousuke	install the rename utility	14:07
ardchoille	krename ?	14:08
titanix88	jeven: ohh. they r already networked! hmm...	14:08
titanix88	jevon firestarter can be used to easily share internet connection.	14:09
Jevon	is it already installed, or would I have to download it?	14:10
frojnd	mv .asp .htm I'm trying to rename .asp to .html and than I get message: mv: end,*.html` not a directory ...	14:10
frojnd	how can I rename ?	14:10
Jevon	right click, hit 'rename'?	14:10
titanix88	jeven u will have to install it.	14:11
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Jevon	please tell me it is not a big file	14:12
titanix88	its not. trust me.:D	14:13
Jevon	good	14:13
Jevon	I have a slow enough connection as it is	14:13
* titanix88 shares the tragedy with jevon.he doesnt have one, let alone slow.		14:15
* titanix88 shares the tragedy with jevon.he doesnt have one, let alone slow.		14:15
Jevon	I can barely call 20k dialup a connection	14:15
ethan_	2	14:16
ethan_	hello	14:16
titanix88	omg. i will be glad to have a 20k connecion. its more than enogh.:o	14:16
ethan_	can anyone receive my message	14:16
titanix88	hi ethan	14:16
titanix88	hi ethan	14:16
Jevon	just forget about downloading most things	14:16
ethan_	why no one reply	14:17
ubuntu_		14:17
titanix88	jevon with wget, 20k is enough for me.:D	14:17
titanix88	jevon with wget, 20k is enough for me.:D	14:17
wesley	hello if i wanna install kde4 apps i get break	14:18
titanix88	ethan !	14:18
titanix88	hmm. i want kde4 too.	14:19
titanix88	hmm. i want kde4 too.	14:19
wesley	kde4 work pretty well but i wanna have all kde4 apps and i try in adept but it says break	14:19
Jevon	I sent for the 7.1 CD	14:19
Jevon	possible repository lock?	14:20
Jevon	except he left	14:20
wesley	its not with all	14:20
titanix88	guys is there new kubuntu cd out?	14:21
Jevon	7.1 Gutsy Gibbon	14:21
wesley	a alpha	14:21
stdin	Jevon: 7.10, not 7.1	14:22
Jevon	okay, add the 0	14:22
stdin	Jevon: (200)7/10	14:22
stdin	year/month	14:22
stdin	the 0 matters there ;)	14:22
wesley	does someone know why i get break ?	14:22
Jevon	ah, so that is how they do the numbering	14:22
titanix88	i have the kubuntu 7.10 live cd. its not kde4!	14:23
titanix88	i guess it will be 7.10.1	14:23
Jevon	I know that they released KDE 4, not sure if Kubuntu has a version with it	14:23
stdin	titanix88: who said it would be? but there is a kde4 7.10 live cd at the link in the topic	14:23
titanix88	stdin : hmm...	14:24
icewaterman	i do not know if this is a security issue but xfs_check segfaults when run on a reiserfs partition.	14:25
icewaterman	i accidentally tried that (it does no damage)	14:25
titanix88	xfs is not reiserfs, thats why.	14:26
stdin	I doubt it's a security issue, but it is a bug	14:26
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titanix88	welcome doctor willis	14:27
FSHero_	Hi there everyone... I heard you talk about a KDE 4 live cd. I wanted to install Kubuntu 7.10 amd64 on my Core 2 Quad.	14:30
FSHero_	Shall I use the 'regular' KDE3 one, or the KDE4 release candidate?	14:30
FSHero_	I would love to try out KDE4... but the RC2 isn't too unstable, is it?	14:31
Dr_willis	for kde4 - you may want to just keep testing out the live cd's	14:31
stdin	you want kde3, kde4 is not ready for general use yet. just install kde4 along side it	14:31
jussi01	!kde4	14:31
ubotu	KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php	14:31
FSHero_	thanks everyone!	14:31
FSHero_	Is Hardy going to use KDE4?	14:32
stdin	nope	14:32
stdin	hardy is going to be a LTS, so it wouldn't be a great idea	14:32
wesley	http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde41un4.png this is kde4 rc2	14:32
FSHero_	D'oh... but I can install KDE4 alongside KDE3 in Hardy, right?	14:32
stdin	wesley: looks like it	14:33
wesley	yes	14:33
stdin	FSHero_: yep	14:33
FSHero_	sweet!	14:33
wesley	kde4 is getting useable	14:33
Jevon	I am just goind to temporarily disconnect this external modem and hook it up to my computer. THen I can download firestarter as well as all the other programs I want	14:33
FSHero_	I'm looking for the performance improvements... one can never have too many performance improvements! :D	14:33
FSHero_	By the way: on this computer I want to install Kubuntu Gutsy amd64 on, I already have Kubuntu Feisty i386 installed.	14:34
Dr_willis	are you sure you need the 64bit disrots? there can be issues with them.	14:34
FSHero_	I have a /home partition, and I don't mind completely wiping off Feisty (as opposed to "upgrading"). How would I go about this?	14:34
FSHero_	Do I just use the Gutsy live-cd and format the partition that Feisty was installed to?	14:35
FSHero_	Dr_willis: hehe, I've been told that before. I am confident that I want to try it!	14:35
stdin	FSHero_: you have no choice, you can't upgrade to 64bit. you just need to choose manual partitioning when installing and choose to mount your home partition as /home	14:35
Dr_willis	I normally just have the installer format/install over the existing / I dont even let it mount /home yet. I then manually change the fstab so its pointing at home after i boot up. just to be safe. Heh.	14:35
FSHero_	Dr_willis: oh... ok	14:36
Dr_willis	I mount home as /to-be-home :) just to be safe. then fix the fstab.	14:36
stdin	it works fine, I've used the liveCD to format / and mount /home	14:36
Dr_willis	but im paranoid.. since i accidently deleted home once.	14:36
wesley	i have wiphed vista away	14:36
plb	hrm there something you gotta do to get flash to work in konq in kubuntu? I have flash installed but youtube doesn't seem to work	14:36
FSHero_	Dr_willis: aha. I see.	14:37
FSHero_	One last complication: This computer had Windows Vista preinstalled, then I installed Feisty. If I install Gutsy, will I still be able to boot into Vista? Will it be on the GRUB menu?	14:38
* genii shovels a path in, and sips his coffee		14:38
Dr_willis	genii, i just got done shoveling.. Ick.	14:39
Dr_willis	Ice with power snow on top. So you shovel.. then have to start hacking at the ice.	14:39
Dr_willis	powder. :)	14:40
genii	Dr_willis: I had to shovel out of the house yesterday to get to work to do more shovelling. Same today. By back hurts	14:40
genii	By->My	14:40
genii	Same here with the ice underneath	14:41
Dr_willis	Yep. Thats why i dident shovel yesterday. :) i stayed home.	14:41
stdin	FSHero_: if the feisty installed detected it then so will the gutsy one. you could always copy /boot/grub/menu.lst to your $HOME so you can just copy&paste the windows entry if it doesn't detect it	14:41
Dr_willis	thers an excample windows entry in the menu.lst also for windows on hda1	14:41
FSHero_	stdin: cool, thanks	14:41
FSHero_	On a different computer (in fact, the very one I'm typing on now!), I want to install lirc to get the remote control that came with my Medion computer working.	14:46
FSHero_	Do I just follow the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty	14:46
wesley	that kde4 live cd from kubuntub is no good	14:46
stdin	FSHero_: I guess it's worth a go	14:47
fairman	hi, does somebody use applet rss4in1 ?	14:48
Anpu	hello, anyone knows how to make integral suign into word and latex? :)	14:48
Anpu	sign*	14:48
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FSHero	Ahh... finally, I can have my name back! :)	14:49
stdin	you could have just ghosted it	14:49
stdin	/ns ghost <nick_to_kill> <password>	14:50
genii	work /away	14:55
dfaure	network configuration bug in gutsy? says "The default Gateway IP address is invalid", (using manual IP configuration) I'm sure it's correct, have been using those network settings for years...	15:01
neville	Is it at all possible to clear the RAM?	15:01
kub^	dfaure: have you checked you have the right subnet mask for your network ?	15:04
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dfaure	kub^: I always used 192.168.0.x with netmask of 255.255.255.0 -- but maybe that's not the official netmask for this subnet	15:05
dfaure	(and gateway is 192.168.0.254)	15:06
iof4	kaffeine hangs after saying "KXineWidget: No config file found, will create one..." any idea?	15:06
kub^	dfaure that sounds correct	15:06
dfaure	yeah looks like a bug....	15:07
dfaure	I guess I'll hand-edit config files like I always did, instead :)	15:07
kub^	:)	15:07
ScottG	anyone here messing with KDE4? How on earth do you make the taskbar smaller? :)	15:11
mrdigital	ScottG	15:12
mrdigital	u mean the kicker?	15:12
ScottG	yeah, sorry	15:12
emilsedgh	ScottG: no way!	15:12
ScottG	right clicking it does nothing..	15:12
mrdigital	right click the kicker	15:12
mrdigital	yes	15:12
mrdigital	look for configure panel\	15:12
mrdigital	its in the uhm appperance section\	15:12
emilsedgh	mrdigital: he said KDE4 which has no kicker	15:12
mrdigital	oh?	15:13
ScottG	it's something on the bottom..	15:13
ScottG	call it what you will..	15:13
dfaure	it's called the panel again :-)	15:13
ScottG	it's HUGE by default.. jusdt messing around and would like to make it smaller..	15:13
emilsedgh	ScottG: i didnt find a GUI for that, maybe it will come soon, maybe you could change that by altering the plasma config files in you ~/.kde4	15:13
BluesKaj	Howdy all	15:20
emilsedgh	BluesKaj: hey, wb	15:20
BluesKaj	hi emilsedgh, thx	15:21
emilsedgh	BluesKaj: i love this 'Howdy All'	15:21
BluesKaj	hehe	15:21
BluesKaj	just a friendly greeting	15:21
trappist	I've installed kde4 on gutsy, decided it's not quite there yet, and went back to kde3, and now it's all busted. right-clicking the desktop doesn't do anything. kicker only wraps around 3 sides of the compiz cube. alt-f2 doesn't do anything. alt-space does nothing even though katapult is running. any ideas?	15:21
noaXess	i have connectet an mp3 player from iriver.. it will be show in lsusb but not automatically mounted..	15:22
noaXess	Bus 001 Device 003: ID 4102:1126 iRiver, Ltd.	15:22
noaXess	what device need i to mount manually?	15:22
BluesKaj	katapult hardly works for me on kde3, trappist.	15:22
trappist	noaXess: there should be several lines related to attaching the device in the output of dmesg, and one of them should tell you the device	15:23
trappist	BluesKaj: it worked fine for me until I installed kde4	15:23
trappist	I'm worried it messed something up in my ~/.kde	15:24
BluesKaj	kde4 ,is not ready period ...it breaks a lotta systems	15:24
trappist	I know it's supposed to use ~/.kde4, but there are entries in my .xsession-errors that say it's poking around in ~/.kde	15:24
noaXess	trappist: have only this..	15:25
noaXess	new fill speed USB.... and next line confguration #1 chosen...	15:25
brkkgn	slm	15:26
brkkgn	hiyaa	15:26
trappist	noaXess: if it's a mass-storage device and you have the usb-storage module loaded and the device is supported, there should be more than that	15:26
BluesKaj	trappist, , there's a site that gives a tutorial on how to rid your setup of any residual kde4 files and libs ...try searching google-linux	15:26
brkkgn	i m burak	15:26
trappist	BluesKaj: cool, thanks	15:26
FSHero	Hi everyone... I'm trying to get my x10 (I think) remote control working with my computer following the instructions on:	15:27
FSHero	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty	15:27
brkkgn	i dont know install programs for ubuntu	15:27
brkkgn	send me help	15:27
brkkgn	plzzz	15:27
FSHero	I've got as far as running "sudo depmod -a"	15:28
ScottG	alright.. KDE3 still working.. KDE4 is pretty sloppy for being an RC..	15:28
brkkgn	brkkgn@hotmail.com	15:28
brkkgn	add me	15:28
brkkgn	for horny gils (6)	15:28
FSHero	I was about to create a /etc/lirc/lircd.conf when I decided to try the buttons on my remote "for fun" :)	15:28
ScottG	no ops in here I see..	15:29
FSHero	And... it seems to work on the whole already! So is it worth continuing with the instructions?	15:29
ScottG	thank you	15:29
ubuntu_	i think it sad that there are no games on the live cd and that msn does not workm	15:29
trappist	np	15:29
trappist	haven't whipped out my @ in so long I almost forgot how	15:30
rothchild	is kde 4 worth trying yet?	15:30
ubuntu_	yes its worth trying	15:30
trappist	rothchild: my recently-formed opinion is no	15:30
ScottG	I'm trying it and I don't know.. it's rough..	15:30
trappist	rothchild: if you want to check it out, I recommend creating a new user account for it so it doesn't muck with your ~/.kde	15:30
ScottG	I'd say no.. just my opinion..	15:30
ubuntu_	but you need to install a bunch off apps after you did the install like the tut on kubuntu.org	15:31
ScottG	maybe a live cd to satisfy curiousity..	15:31
rothchild	I've just come in so missed what's been going on, what are the main showstoppers?	15:31
ubuntu_	kde4 live cd sucks	15:31
ktosia	some fatass kicked me from ##ubuntu :-&	15:31
ktosia	how to setup TOR then?	15:31
rothchild	trappist good tip thank you	15:31
ktosia	s/##/#	15:31
trappist	rothchild: main one for me was I couldn't get compiz to not start, and it doesn't play nice with kde4's compositing	15:32
trappist	rothchild: that and it broke my kde3 :)	15:32
rothchild	ouch	15:32
ubuntu_	trappist in kde4 got its own compisting	15:32
trappist	ubuntu_: yeah, but I can't stop compiz from starting, and they kinda clash	15:32
ubuntu_	i dont like compiz that fuckes kde up	15:33
trappist	ktosia: I'm pretty fat myself. please be polite.	15:33
trappist	!language	15:33
ubotu	Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	15:33
trappist	c'mon guys	15:33
ktosia	ok, so, politelly, how to set up tor?	15:33
ubuntu_	but kde4 will become the linux wow	15:34
ktosia	ubuntu_: huh?	15:34
trappist	ktosia: and, politely, it's common practice to put some effort into research yourself, so you can ask specific questions when you get stuck.	15:34
rothchild	are you being ironic ubuntu_?	15:34
ubuntu_	vista is the windows wow and kde4 will be the linux wow	15:34
rothchild	oh dear, you are, that doesn't bode well for kde4 then	15:35
ktosia	ubuntu_: minds boggles, doesn;t it	15:35
ubuntu_	no just comparing XD kde3 is like the beter XP and kde4 becomes the modern desktop who kicks vista wow	15:35
rothchild	ktosia have you tried this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-tor-with-vidalia-gui-on-ubuntu.html#more-244	15:36
ubuntu_	i think kde4 looks a bit like mac	15:38
ScottG	I have to say that Kubuntu 7.10 has worked really well for me. It's almost boring, nothing to fix.	15:38
ScottG	a little..	15:39
noaXess	trappist: it is a fresh install... need i install some more usb features?	15:39
rothchild	ScottG I know what you mean	15:39
trappist	noaXess: if it's a usb-storage device, no, you shouldn't. but if it doesn't have that kind of interface, you may need to install something that specifically supports that device.	15:39
ScottG	one minor thing.. I can't turn off the darned PC speaker.. it's off in kmix..	15:40
noaXess	trappist: hm.. under windows it is not a really usb-storage.. it is called as iclix...	15:40
ScottG	if I back up and it won't go back anymore I have to hear the PC speaker beeping..	15:41
rothchild	I had that, turn off 'master mono'	15:41
ScottG	no option for master mono..	15:41
* dfaure reported the kde-systemsettings bug now		15:42
rothchild	oh! spoils that plan then	15:42
rothchild	took me a while to twig but that's where it was on mine	15:43
ScottG	it's not a big deal.. minor annoyance..	15:43
trappist	noaXess: if it's usb-storage, under windows you should be able to mount it as a drive	15:43
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trappist	noaXess: what's the device again?	15:43
ScottG	Kubuntu has worked so well I've not been using my PCLOS partition..	15:44
eshat	hi all,.. how do i switch to ubuntu testing ???	15:44
rothchild	on a bit of a tangent does anyone know about using xampp on a pendrive?	15:44
rothchild	eshat you can start in #ubuntu+1	15:45
trappist	eshat: if you mean the "next" version of ubuntu... what rothchild said	15:45
llutz	rothchild: theres a win-solution on portable-apps.com http://portableapps.com/apps/development/xampp	15:45
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trappist	eshat: but in general it's not organized like debian. we don't have stable, unstable, testing, experimental etc.	15:46
rothchild	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha1	15:46
rothchild	llutz that is as far as I got, I wanna be able to carry this: www.eyeos.org around with me	15:47
frqw	my cd drive is locked, any way to force it to open? (it's not mounted)	15:47
rothchild	It seems like I can run apache off the pendrive with portable firefox and have my own portable os without having to boot from usb etc (and get in trouble with IT at work! ;-))	15:48
trappist	frqw: if it's really not mounted it should open. you could try umount -l, and if that doesn't work it should have a tiny hole you can stick a paperclip into to eject it.	15:48
noaXess	trappist: ok i see.. this iriver device has two ways for connection..a micro$oft like an a normal usb storage connection..	15:49
rothchild	frqw if it's not spinning you can use an unrolled paperclip in the lilttle hole on the front	15:49
eshat	trappist: ,... hmm i thought it s similar to debian ,... so it's not that stable like testing in debian ???	15:49
trappist	eshat: right, we have a 6 month release cycle, and you can always try the next version, currently "hardy heron"	15:49
rothchild	eshat, no. Ubuntu take a six monthly snapshot of SID and try to stablise it (because they only do 2 arch's rather than debians 15 or so)	15:50
eshat	trappist: how do i test it ,... do i have to change gutsy in sources.list to hardy ???	15:50
frqw	ugh my paperclip is stuck in that hole	15:51
frqw	ok it worked, but once i close it again it gets locked...	15:52
rothchild	frqw do you have another optical drive to test if it is a soft or hardware issue?	15:52
frqw	uh, no	15:53
bassem	when i try to copy files to my flash usb ... error sayd cant write to /usb location	15:54
bassem	when i try to copy files to my flash usb ... error sayd cant write to /usb location	15:57
BluesKaj	!patience \| bassem	15:58
ubotu	bassem: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines	15:58
Lynoure	bassem: how are you copying the files? usually usb sticks don't end up to /usb but under /media	15:59
bassem	Lynoure: this is the exact error ... "Could not write to /media/disk/filename"	16:00
eshat	Is it dangerous to install kde4 ,.. could it harm my kde3 installation ?	16:00
BluesKaj	eshat, yes	16:01
eshat	BluesKaj: :(	16:01
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eshat	i cant wait 24 days	16:02
BluesKaj	if you aren't sure wait for the official release ..some ppl have had success with the RC2 but not many that i know	16:02
jsl	I've got a laptop that I'm using together with a docking station, and after some headakes with ati's drivers, I got the setup working with both the external lcd and the internal lcd (dual head). But when I take the laptop home the second screen isn't attached, and among others, firefox tries to start in it's view, but dies trying. Ideas as to how this would be resolved?	16:03
onishidato	how can i open a FAT32 partrition?	16:04
Lynoure	bassem: And it is not full or write protected?	16:04
jsl	when I enter system settings, it claims I've got one monitor with a resolution of 3360x1050 (while in reality I've got two monitors, both at 1680x1050)	16:04
llutz	!vfat	16:04
ubotu	To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE	16:04
llutz	onishidato: ^^	16:04
onishidato	llutz: thanks