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| ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: December 22 2007, 01:11:58 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 9 hours 48 minutes | 01:11 |
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| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 09 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | ||
| Riddell | hi all | 10:58 |
| * Jucato waves hello | 10:58 | |
| Hobbsee | heya Riddell | 10:58 |
| Riddell | we'll start in a few minutes with membership then other stuff | 10:58 |
| smarter | hello | 10:58 |
| Riddell | but first, one of the items is wallpapers, and I have a selection we can review from the oxygen people | 10:58 |
| Riddell | but it's not to be given out to the public | 10:58 |
| Riddell | so if you want to have a look at them please /msg me and I'll give you the URL | 10:58 |
| * Hobbsee would | 10:58 | |
| * mhb would | 11:00 | |
| Riddell | nobody else? | 11:00 |
| jpatrick | rouzic isn't around -> skip | 11:00 |
| * jpatrick would | 11:00 | |
| Hobbsee | how pretty | 11:00 |
| Jucato | are there pink ponies? :) | 11:00 |
| Riddell | Good Morning Friends | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: are these in widescreen too? | 11:00 |
| Riddell | welcome to the Kubuntu Christmas party | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | yay, party! | 11:01 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: dunno | 11:01 |
| Riddell | wearing of paper hats from crackers is compulsary | 11:01 |
| sigma_ | lol | 11:01 |
| Riddell | who do we have from the council? | 11:01 |
| Riddell | me, Hobbsee, mhb | 11:01 |
| Riddell | Lure? | 11:02 |
| mhb | not me, I'm afraid :o) | 11:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: just joined | 11:02 |
| Jucato | um... I have to excuse myself... family stuff... sorry to drop out so suddenly. I'll try to catch up later | 11:02 |
| Riddell | not mhb... yet :) | 11:02 |
| jpatrick | I'll write the minutes if you'd like | 11:02 |
| Riddell | nixternal? | 11:02 |
| Jucato | we seem to be missing the minutes for the past 2 meetings btw... | 11:02 |
| Jucato | anyway... gone... sorry again... | 11:02 |
| Riddell | agenda at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 11:03 |
| Riddell | first up is membership | 11:03 |
| Riddell | no rouzic? | 11:03 |
| Riddell | do we have smarter? | 11:03 |
| smarter | Riddell: yes :) | 11:03 |
| Riddell | welcome along smarter, could you introduce yourself? | 11:03 |
| smarter | okay | 11:03 |
| * Hobbsee curses rotten parents | 11:04 | |
| smarter | I'm a 14 yo, French guy, I'm admin of the french ubuntu forum and a KDE-lover :) Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuillaumeMartres | 11:04 |
| Hobbsee | i'm going to need to belatedly vote on this. *sigh* | 11:04 |
| Hobbsee | memberships first would be great. | 11:04 |
| Riddell | smarter: how long have you been involved? | 11:05 |
| Lure | smarter: what is the area that you think your contributions are the stronger? | 11:05 |
| Riddell | is there anyone here to support smarter? | 11:07 |
| smarter | Riddell: I first used Linux 2,5 years ago I became a moderator on the french forum 1 year ago, admin six months ago and medibuntu packager since yesterday ;) | 11:07 |
| smarter | Lure: For the moment, bug reporting, but I hope to make cool patches for Kubuntu/KDE in the future | 11:07 |
| smarter | Riddell: I asked some french MOTU but it looks like they forgot to wake up ;) | 11:08 |
| Riddell | smarter: why are the packages of amarok and kaffeine different in medibuntu? | 11:08 |
| smarter | Riddell: amarok is compiled with --enable-mp4v2 and kaffeine with lame support | 11:09 |
| smarter | but they're based on Kubuntu packages | 11:09 |
| smarter | and the description clearly state that they are not official Ubuntu packages | 11:09 |
| Lure | smarter: and afair, they only change build-depends | 11:09 |
| smarter | Lure: yes, kaffeine build-deps on liblame-dev and amarok on libmp4v2-dev | 11:10 |
| Lure | smarter: how long are you doing bug triage and are you focusing on particular areas? | 11:10 |
| smarter | Lure: I started bug triaging recently and I focus mostly on kde, 'cause it's easier for me to try to make patches | 11:11 |
| Lure | smarter: kde in general or are some packages of particular interest? | 11:11 |
| smarter | Lure: I started with kdebase | 11:12 |
| smarter | and kdelibs | 11:12 |
| Riddell | we always need more of that being done | 11:12 |
| nixternal | YAY \O/ | 11:12 |
| Lure | smarter: you are a brave man! | 11:12 |
| nixternal | I can't believe I woke up | 11:12 |
| Lure | ;-) | 11:12 |
| Riddell | morning nixternal, any questions for smarter before we vote? | 11:12 |
| smarter | thanks Lure ;) | 11:12 |
| Lure | smarter: we really need bug triagers | 11:12 |
| nixternal | err | 11:12 |
| nixternal | who is the smarter? :) | 11:12 |
| Riddell | nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GuillaumeMartres | 11:13 |
| nixternal | so many new people :) | 11:13 |
| nixternal | w/o a doubt his future is definitely bright, considered he was 12 when he started | 11:14 |
| Jucato | that's a good sign right? (trying to sneak in a line or two before dinner) | 11:14 |
| Jucato | :) | 11:14 |
| Riddell | lets vote | 11:14 |
| Riddell | +1 from me for adding to the francophone cabal and doing the slog of bug triage | 11:15 |
| Riddell | Lure, nixternal, Hobbsee? | 11:15 |
| nixternal | that is pretty impressive to me | 11:15 |
| Lure | I would prefer a bit longer contribution, but based on couple of bugs, comments I have just reviewed I can give a +1 | 11:15 |
| nixternal | +1 - simply amazed at just how accomplished one is at 14 | 11:15 |
| Riddell | congratulations smarter | 11:16 |
| smarter | huzzah! \o/ | 11:16 |
| * Lure remebers jpatrick being that age when I joined - and he helped me getting into packaging ;-) | 11:16 | |
| Riddell | any other memberships? | 11:16 |
| nixternal | congrats | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | grrr, parents. | 11:16 |
| smarter | That's a cool christmas present ;) | 11:16 |
| * Hobbsee quickly reads | 11:16 | |
| jpatrick | Lure: ;) | 11:16 |
| nixternal | can I go back to bed :) | 11:16 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:16 |
| jpatrick | rouzic's asleep/missing | 11:16 |
| Lure | smarter: welcome and rock on! | 11:17 |
| yuriy | congrats smarter | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | +1 from me | 11:17 |
| jpatrick | congrats smarter! | 11:17 |
| Lutin | smarter: congrats :) | 11:17 |
| smarter | thanks everyone :) | 11:17 |
| Riddell | so next is the big item for today, the non LTS change | 11:17 |
| nixternal | WHAT? NON-LTS? You are kidding right? | 11:17 |
| nixternal | p | 11:18 |
| Riddell | discussion of the way that was decided should be left to the canonical members of the tech board, keybuk says he's happy to answer questions | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i thoguht there was a background decision first :P | 11:18 |
| nixternal | oh ya, the tongue and no eyes | 11:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: he is not around | 11:18 |
| Riddell | no, you'd have to catch him at some other time | 11:18 |
| nixternal | Lure: do you blame him after such a big decision? :) | 11:18 |
| smarter | does that mean that 8.10 will be a LTS? | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: so presumably the question is abotu where to focus our attention - kde3, kde4. | 11:19 |
| mhb | I would suggest deciding on the further steps we take in order to help Kubuntu the most | 11:19 |
| Riddell | smarter: no | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | smarter: no | 11:19 |
| Lure | Riddell: I know that Keybuk wears several hats: so in which authority was decision made? Canonical or TB? | 11:19 |
| Riddell | Lure: LTS is Canonical's decision | 11:19 |
| smarter | 9.04 then? | 11:20 |
| Lure | Riddell: and I suspect dapper is first and last LTS for Kubuntu, right? | 11:20 |
| Riddell | smarter: I can't see us having an LTS out of step with ubuntu | 11:20 |
| rouzic | hi akk | 11:20 |
| rouzic | all* | 11:20 |
| Riddell | Lure: I hope not, I don't think so | 11:20 |
| Lure | rouzic: will cover your membership later, ok? | 11:20 |
| nixternal | Riddell: by chance, is there any reasoning that can be publically displayed for this decision? | 11:20 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: probably a better question for keybuk | 11:20 |
| rouzic | lure: :( | 11:21 |
| Riddell | nixternal: as Hobbsee says | 11:21 |
| nixternal | roger that | 11:21 |
| Lure | Riddell: but we will break LTS upgrade chaing, therefore LTS ->LTS upgrade will not be possible anymore | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: apparently there are no support contracts anyway | 11:21 |
| Lure | Riddell: unless dapper Kubuntu will be supported until next LTS which I doungt | 11:21 |
| Lure | dounbt even | 11:21 |
| Lure | doubt even ;-) | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | and i'd imagine that we'll vaguely support dapper --> hardy, with metapackages | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | but not test overly much | 11:21 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: there are, I know a few people and places here with the support contracts | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | (as in, default installs to hardy) | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: kubuntu dapper? | 11:22 |
| nixternal | actually no | 11:22 |
| nixternal | no LTS support contracts :) | 11:22 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: problem is that new users cannot install something today that is LTS supported and be able to upgrade to LTS in future | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: right, yes, those are the ones that we care about for the purposes of this discussion | 11:22 |
| mhb | well I think we're settled on that we will do 2 Kubuntu CDs, one with KDE3 as default desktop and the other one would be a KDE4-KDE3 mix, I guess. | 11:22 |
| Flannel | So, we only care about paying customers now? | 11:22 |
| nixternal | unfortunately so | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: this is true, but that debate is for the tb, not general kubuntu. | 11:23 |
| Lure | Flannel: I hope not ;-) | 11:23 |
| Riddell | unfortunatly making a KDE 4 CD is blocked on the seeds being rejigged so we don't have a clear idea of what packages would be on it | 11:23 |
| Riddell | but as mhb we should have both a KDE 3 CD and KDE 4 CD, and the question is the status of each | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: it would, of course, be nice to have a reasonably working upgrade, if a community member wanted to work on it somewhat | 11:23 |
| yuriy | Flannel: well LTS = long term support = paying customers. i don't see why anybody else would care about the LTS moniker | 11:23 |
| Flannel | Lure: You'll still be able to install Hardy and upgrade to the next LTS, you just may have to do the upgrade as a GUI-less upgrade, and then convert back to Kubuntu | 11:23 |
| nixternal | I don't see why 3.5 release couldn't be LTS | 11:23 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: mvo says he's making sure upgrade works, but the Kubuntu upgrade tool will be missing | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: because canonical has decided. | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right | 11:24 |
| Lure | yuriy: it is message to the marked and such decision does not help making kubuntu viable alternative | 11:24 |
| Flannel | yuriy: There are plenty of people, myself included, that are still on Dapper and not paying customers, because we prefer stability. | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: probably safer, seeing as how it usually does | 11:24 |
| Lure | yuriy: and I am the first one to agree that Canonical can drop it | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | Flannel: then i'd suggest helping out checking that it works, to upgrade it. | 11:24 |
| Lure | yuriy: just that they should do well though decision first and discuss other aspects with community | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | regardless, we're bikeshedding, and wasting valuable time | 11:25 |
| mhb | indeed | 11:25 |
| Riddell | of course if someone else or a company wants to get the upgrader running and tested in it's meny different combinations that's entirely welcome, although slow and boring work | 11:25 |
| Riddell | so, I have a proposal | 11:25 |
| Riddell | ... | 11:25 |
| nixternal | drum roll... | 11:26 |
| cheguevara | :P | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: shoot | 11:26 |
| Riddell | we keep the KDE 3 CD as the commercially supported (18 months) and based on the kubuntu-desktop seed, and the one that 7.10 upgrades to... | 11:26 |
| Riddell | but we big up the KDE 4 CD as being the interesting and exciting one, we put it on release.u.c, have it on shipit and generally make it the focus of our messaging | 11:26 |
| nixternal | +1 | 11:27 |
| mhb | +1 from me | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: if we're allowed to do that, +25. | 11:27 |
| cheguevara | +1 | 11:27 |
| Riddell | it would be community supported, so 6 months only | 11:27 |
| jpatrick | +1 | 11:27 |
| mhb | the only problematic part is whether they'll allow us to do that | 11:27 |
| Riddell | but it would be the main Kubuntu CD for non-commercial users | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that's reasonable enough. it's not like montreal would know kde4 stuff anyway - nor that they'd be writing patches | 11:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what do we support upgrades from after hardy, then? | 11:28 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: its not like montreal know's 3.5 stuff either | 11:28 |
| * Lure_ dropped of | 11:28 | |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: true, but they probably know a bit more than that | 11:28 |
| * Hobbsee grabs a pastebin | 11:29 | |
| Riddell | Lure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/ | 11:29 |
| * Riddell wins | 11:29 | |
| Lure_ | Riddell: thanks | 11:29 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I'd assume Hardy+1 would have one KDE again, which would both CDs upgrade to | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | awww | 11:29 |
| * Hobbsee blames au connection | 11:29 | |
| Riddell | yes, hardy+1 should be KDE 4 | 11:29 |
| Riddell | supported upgrade path would be from KDE 3 (which is the tricky bit) | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | so the kde3 --> kde4 would work | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: not if you really want kde3,4 to be coinstallable, though | 11:30 |
| Riddell | upgrading from KDE 4 should be fine too since that's comparitavly easy | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | if you can just put a global replaces on it... | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | er, don't want them to coinstall | 11:30 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: so hardy+1 will still have kde3 in, just not default? | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | Lure_: commercial customers would get it by deafult | 11:31 |
| mhb | Riddell: have you talked with Steve Langasek or anyone else from the Release Team about your plan? | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: he's one of them, i'm another. | 11:31 |
| Riddell | Lure_: that I'm unsure, how soon we clear kde 3 from the archives, but it's pretty much a question for hardy+1 not now | 11:31 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: agreed | 11:31 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I know, but Canonical can block it again, as they do the shipping ... | 11:31 |
| * Hobbsee can't see why you'd keep kde3 around | 11:31 | |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I wouldn't like that to happen | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i doubt they would. they haven't blocked MOTU so far | 11:32 |
| Riddell | mhb: we can have whatever we like on shipit really, just send them the ISO and tell the marketing person what to put on the cover text | 11:32 |
| Hobbsee | so i doubt they would this either | 11:32 |
| Riddell | iRon, vorian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/ | 11:32 |
| Lure_ | Hobbsee: because all apps would not have kde4 port yet? | 11:33 |
| Hobbsee | Lure_: i thought you could run kde3-based stuff in kde4. | 11:33 |
| Lure_ | Hobbsee: right, but we need libs, base... | 11:33 |
| yuriy | hence why would you get rid of it? | 11:33 |
| nixternal | you can | 11:33 |
| Hobbsee | Lure_: right | 11:33 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/ | 11:33 |
| yuriy | i would think kde3 stuff would get demoted to universe though | 11:33 |
| mhb | Lure_: it may not fit on the CD, we don't know yet. | 11:34 |
| apachelogger | hi | 11:34 |
| txwikinger | +1 for the paste | 11:34 |
| mhb | Lure_: but I guess the sane KDE4 CD would have a KDE4 desktop, some KDE4 apps, and some KDE3 apps (amarok, kaffeine, digikam and so on) | 11:34 |
| Riddell | mhb: that it would | 11:34 |
| vorian | Riddell, big +1 :) | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: amarok, etc, has been ported. | 11:34 |
| Riddell | openoffice, dunno about | 11:34 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 11:35 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: not in time for hardy | 11:35 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: I would go with koffice beta | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh, true, yes | 11:35 |
| jpatrick | couldn't we use koffice? | 11:35 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: amarok2 is unusable | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | does it support windows file formats reasonably, though? | 11:35 |
| Riddell | we could go with koffice but I'd want to ask the koffice devels if they're happy with that | 11:35 |
| yuriy | you don't think amarok2 and digikam will be ready in time for hardy? | 11:35 |
| apachelogger | still, since amarok1.4 only depends on kdelibs that's not a biggy | 11:35 |
| Riddell | anyway, this isn't a good time to discuss the exact apps | 11:35 |
| yuriy | and kword2 seems quite usable already | 11:36 |
| Riddell | we need to get the KDE 4 CDs started first, then argue over the finer details | 11:36 |
| apachelogger | agreed | 11:36 |
| nixternal | ditto | 11:36 |
| Riddell | anything else to discusson that, or can we move on? | 11:36 |
| mhb | Riddell: so when can we expect it to be unblocked? | 11:36 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: rouzic's around | 11:36 |
| Riddell | mhb: cjwatson says it's high on his priority, so hopefully soon in the new year | 11:36 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: koffice is expected to be released in April, so beta should be good enough for preview | 11:36 |
| Lure_ | http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=KOffice2/Schedule | 11:36 |
| rouzic | it's here | 11:37 |
| * yuriy keeps thinking hardy is 8.06 not 8.04 because of dapper | 11:37 | |
| nixternal | heh | 11:37 |
| Riddell | rouzic: could you introduce yourself? | 11:37 |
| yuriy | as in, 2 extra months to get apps in | 11:37 |
| * Riddell reads https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rouzic | 11:37 | |
| rouzic | riddell: I have been the admin of kubuntu-es.org for the last two years. And now run the xubuntu-es.org and edubuntu-es.org websites | 11:38 |
| Riddell | rouzic: I notice kubuntu-es.org is still broken, what's happening there? | 11:39 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: the guys with the DNS don't want to hand it over to us | 11:39 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: hrm | 11:40 |
| Riddell | anything I can do to help with that? | 11:40 |
| jpatrick | he erased his user account (because of lack of activity), and now he doesn't exist for them | 11:40 |
| Riddell | rouzic: so what's on kubuntu-es.org what it is working? | 11:40 |
| jpatrick | the site can be accessed from the xubuntu-es and edubuntu-es.org since they both use the same DB | 11:41 |
| jpatrick | s/both/all three | 11:42 |
| Riddell | and which is rouzic here? https://edge.launchpad.net/~rouzic :) | 11:42 |
| Riddell | anyone here to support rouzic? jpatrick presumably? | 11:42 |
| nixternal | the one with long hair :) | 11:42 |
| apachelogger | lol | 11:42 |
| rouzic | riddell: I have to right a fax to the DNS guys | 11:43 |
| rouzic | riddell: i'm the boy, left on the photo | 11:43 |
| Lure_ | rouzic: any other community member that you worked with? | 11:43 |
| apachelogger | better visit him personally ;-) | 11:43 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: well he has been working on the site for two years :) | 11:43 |
| jpatrick | +1 from me | 11:43 |
| Riddell | rouzic: what is your relationship with ubuntu-es.org ? | 11:44 |
| Lure_ | rouzic: are that also es support channels on irc? | 11:44 |
| apachelogger | rouzic: any future plans for your contribution to kubuntu? | 11:44 |
| rouzic | riddell: contact with the administrador's ubuntu-es every day | 11:44 |
| Lure_ | rouzic: that is the other person on the picture? ;-) | 11:45 |
| rouzic | apachelogger: Translations and bug reports | 11:45 |
| cheguevara | sorry, have to leave for work, bye | 11:46 |
| Lure_ | rouzic: not much activity in LP though? | 11:46 |
| Lure_ | bye cheguevara | 11:46 |
| rouzic | apachelogger: #kubuntu-es.org | 11:46 |
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| apachelogger | rouzic: how about representing Kubuntu @ linux events in es? | 11:46 |
| rouzic | good bye cheguevara | 11:47 |
| jpatrick | Lure: he rarely comes on irc, but I maintain the #kubuntu-es channel | 11:47 |
| * LongPointyStick sighs at how her screen only sometimes unlocks | 11:47 | |
| Lure | Riddell: I am fine to give +1 on jpatrick support - LoCo presence is important and can just improve for kubuntu | 11:48 |
| Lure | rouzic: but you need to fix kubuntu-es.org or replace with some other name ;-) | 11:48 |
| Riddell | +1 from me too, good luck with that DNS | 11:48 |
| * Lure wants to see kubuntu theme | 11:48 | |
| Riddell | nixternal awake? Hobbsee? | 11:49 |
| nixternal | if jpatrick is supporting, I would have to consider -1 :P but seeing as you all like jpatrick, I guess I will do a +1 :p | 11:49 |
| nixternal | +1 | 11:49 |
| rouzic | apachelogger: yes ;) | 11:49 |
| Hobbsee | see LongPointyStick comment | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | hrrhrr | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | I love event promo :D | 11:49 |
| apachelogger | +1 from me | 11:49 |
| Riddell | ah nixternal, always windind us up like the office joker | 11:49 |
| Riddell | he'll be doing silly things with the photocopyer next | 11:50 |
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| apachelogger | oioi | 11:50 |
| Riddell | congratulations and welcome rouzic | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | congrats rouzic | 11:50 |
| Lure | rouzic: rock on! | 11:50 |
| jpatrick | rouzic: bienviendo! | 11:50 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | rouzic: -1 from not meeting him in sevilla. | 11:50 |
| * apachelogger hands out cookies | 11:50 | |
| Riddell | wallpapers is next on the agenda | 11:50 |
| nixternal | my photocopier is to small to do silly things with | 11:50 |
| Riddell | everyone have the url? /msg me if not | 11:50 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I don't | 11:50 |
| nixternal | see /msg | 11:50 |
| rouzic | riddell: thanks :) | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | rouzic: how do you go for ops, etc, in -es? | 11:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: jpatrick says he's not an irc man | 11:51 |
| Riddell | and that jpatrick runs #kubuntu-es | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | oh. that's weird, as i've seen him around somewaht :) | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh. had forgotten that | 11:51 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: I have minimumal access, but we both have ops on #kubuntu-es (trying to get the other guy to give more access), I also have ops on #ubuntu-es :p | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | right | 11:52 |
| nixternal | Riddell: are we supposed to take a vote on what we like with the wp's? | 11:52 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: I can get you whatever access is needed in #kubuntu* channels if a freenode staffer is around | 11:52 |
| * Hobbsee can too | 11:52 | |
| Riddell | so wallpapers | 11:52 |
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| Riddell | I think the final decision should be taken by kwwii | 11:52 |
| jpatrick | oh, pretty | 11:52 |
| * Hobbsee wants occthecodepoet.jpg | 11:52 | |
| Riddell | and it's not limited to the ones here, I just thought since the oxygen team had collected them it would be nice to make use of them | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | what's the colour theme for hardy? | 11:53 |
| Riddell | in my mind a wallpaper should not distract at all and fit in the with colour scheme | 11:53 |
| * Hobbsee notes that the blue ones don't really do it for her | 11:53 | |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: well of course we have both KDE 3 and 4 to consider | 11:53 |
| Riddell | KDE 3 will be blueish as usual, KDE 4 is a whole new land | 11:53 |
| mhb | riddell-compliant are not much mhb-compliant here either. | 11:53 |
| Riddell | the ones in riddell-compliant are the non distracting ones that fit in with KDE 3 in my opinion | 11:54 |
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| nixternal | there are some bubbles i actually like for once in there :) | 11:54 |
| mhb | the photographic ones tend to be too blurry at higher resolutions | 11:54 |
| Riddell | of course if you've seen the hoary wallpaper I made, you'll know I'm not always the best at chosing these things | 11:54 |
| nixternal | I don't like the "KDE 4 Winner" honestly | 11:54 |
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| nixternal | top-left in the riddell-compliant section | 11:55 |
| Riddell | so once Ken gets back from the US I think we should give him our preferences and he can chose one | 11:55 |
| mhb | that sounds sensible. | 11:55 |
| Riddell | '632-img 2760' is my favourite currently | 11:55 |
| nixternal | does anyone know if he is in the Chicago land area with his folks by chance? | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: mine too | 11:56 |
| Riddell | nixternal: he hasn't said, but it seems likely | 11:56 |
| jpatrick | looks fishy | 11:56 |
| nixternal | that is pretty cool | 11:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: got an url for that image? | 11:56 |
| mhb | I like the colour scheme of the Feather wallpaper | 11:56 |
| nixternal | I will have to try and get in touch with him then since he would be right up the road then | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | yeah, feather is currently my 2nd fav | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | though, it might make the whole desktop too darkish | 11:57 |
| nixternal | my favorite, well it was 282 Colorado Farm, but there are some really nice onces in this list that I haven't seen before | 11:57 |
| nixternal | I like the fish that Riddell likes, and KDE 4 Wall Ts9 is kind of sharp | 11:57 |
| Riddell | nixternal: too Windows XP | 11:57 |
| nixternal | heh | 11:57 |
| nixternal | but the photo is brilliant :) | 11:57 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I like 479-fresh morning | 11:57 |
| nixternal | 252 bubbles is kind of neat | 11:57 |
| Riddell | I'm not much of a fan of photos in general, too distracting | 11:57 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: your favourite is not in very high quality | 11:58 |
| mhb | I find the fish too cyan to make a good wallpaper | 11:58 |
| * LongPointyStick curses compiz | 11:58 | |
| mhb | also it suffers from the "blur at high resolution" | 11:58 |
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| mhb | which is why I don't make photos anymore :o) | 11:58 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:59 |
| nixternal | 160-The Wall is kind of neat | 11:59 |
| nixternal | OMG | 11:59 |
| mhb | what I don't like on the Feather is the feather | 11:59 |
| nixternal | 282 Lake Dillon is beautiful | 11:59 |
| * txwikinger likes the Colorado Farm too | 11:59 | |
| apachelogger | mhb: replace it with the logo | 11:59 |
| mhb | but I assume the wallpaper is SVG, so that could be changed if the author agrees | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, the colorado farm is *nice* | 11:59 |
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| apachelogger | replace the text with Kubuntu | 11:59 |
| mhb | apachelogger: we don't really like branded wallpapers | 12:00 |
| * Hobbsee still likes the autumn leaf. | 12:00 | |
| mhb | that's the policy. | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | mhb: but it looks best :P | 12:00 |
| Riddell | so last item on the agenda is a related item | 12:01 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: autumn leaf == img 3101? | 12:01 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm the only wallpapers that present nicely in highres is the *oxygen* ones (in riddell-compliant) | 12:01 |
| Riddell | the artwork team want someone to represent Kubuntu | 12:02 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: the Feather doesn't? :o) | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: erm, no, occthecodepoet.jpg | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: below TheClouds | 12:02 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: in riddell-compliant | 12:02 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: ah | 12:02 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: right | 12:02 |
| nixternal | oh ya, that is a nice one too | 12:02 |
| * Hobbsee wonders why it seems that bright desktops seem more distracting than photos | 12:03 | |
| apachelogger | my favs: oxygen, 632 and feather | 12:03 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I guess thats the ones we have to choose from | 12:03 |
| Riddell | any volunteers to represent Kubuntu on the artwork team? | 12:03 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: ooh, yeah. oxygen is nice | 12:03 |
| * mhb reads | 12:03 | |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i will, if i can get my favorite artwork in :P | 12:03 |
| nixternal | Riddell: do we have to be good at doing graphics? | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | feather. oh, shudder. | 12:04 |
| Riddell | nixternal: no I don't think so | 12:04 |
| nixternal | what all is involved, any ideas? | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | well, one should have an idea of what is going on in kubuntu artwork I guess ;-) | 12:04 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that should be easy | 12:04 |
| * nixternal would think Ken would represent us :) | 12:04 | |
| _StefanS_ | anyone liking those nature photos should definitely check out vplants on deviantart.com | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | 12:04 |
| Riddell | ken is kindae busy representing everything artwork | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | pd: List of representative duties: | 12:05 |
| Riddell | * Be active in the IRC channel | 12:05 |
| Riddell | * Be active in list | 12:05 |
| Riddell | * Attend meetings (wherever posible) | 12:05 |
| nixternal | ahh, I didn't pay attention to that email thing | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | * Familarity with the structure of their distribution | 12:05 |
| mhb | nixternal: we need someone kubuntu-biased :o) | 12:05 |
| nixternal | umm, I don't see artwork, I see derivative team | 12:05 |
| * Hobbsee wonders where to get the panorama one at higher resolution | 12:05 | |
| apachelogger | nixternal: Subject: Re: Ubuntu Artwork Team | 12:05 |
| nixternal | ya, but nothing in that email is about artwork | 12:06 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I was apart of the whole derivatives thing, and never seen much work, so I recently departed from it | 12:06 |
| Riddell | well if nobody wants to do it, that's ok | 12:07 |
| Riddell | any other business? | 12:07 |
| mhb | well I can hang around -artwork if that's it | 12:07 |
| nixternal | but that team has nothing to do with artwork | 12:07 |
| nixternal | don't let the subject fool ya :) | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: maybe call for someone on -devel? | 12:07 |
| mhb | well they have ideas | 12:08 |
| nixternal | this is an "Ubuntu Derivatives" team for helping distros based off of Ubuntu | 12:08 |
| steveire | was oxygen1 decided on? | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: that's what i thought.... | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | steveire: we decided nothing :P | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | we are just not in a decideful mood I guess | 12:08 |
| steveire | Ah right. It's a nice one though. | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | steveire: uh, no? | 12:08 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: I will work with the Derivatives team | 12:09 |
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| * Hobbsee notes you should all use her old background, for something a bit disturbing :P | 12:09 | |
| Riddell | ok, I think we're done | 12:10 |
| Riddell | thanks nixternal | 12:10 |
| nixternal | hahaha, if it is anything like your MySpace page, then heck no! | 12:10 |
| Riddell | no snogging under the mistletoe | 12:10 |
| nixternal | no problem | 12:10 |
| nixternal | damn Riddell, just ruin my Holiday why don't ya :) | 12:10 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 12:10 |
| apachelogger | meh | 12:10 |
| * nixternal returns the 30 pounds of mistletoe | 12:10 | |
| Riddell | next meeting would be on wednesday 2nd jan | 12:10 |
| mhb | that's what I wanted to do! | 12:10 |
| mhb | :o( | 12:10 |
| nixternal | groovy | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: they took that down. but good idea! | 12:10 |
| mhb | okay, looking forward to it | 12:10 |
| Riddell | oh ok, you can snog under the mistletoe if you want | 12:10 |
| nixternal | oh no | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 12:11 |
| nixternal | I just returned it! | 12:11 |
| nixternal | haha | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | meh^2 | 12:11 |
| mhb | see you folks, and merry christmas | 12:11 |
| toma | nice holidays everyone! | 12:11 |
| * Hobbsee grumbles. no holidays yet | 12:12 | |
| apachelogger | nice holidays and merry christmas from the Amarok team :) | 12:12 |
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