[00:19] hmm [00:19] I think there is something wrong with turning on the fan in my laptop after coming back up from hibernate [00:19] as in the cpu temp goes waaay up [00:19] but the fan doesnt kick in [00:20] but only after I hibernate and then come out of it [00:32] Don't you just love broken BIOSes? [00:33] I've been lucky to only have the opposite problem, and only occasionally: [00:34] My ACPI Thermal Zone will sometimes randomly decide it's really hot, and ramp the fans way up, and stick that way until I reboot. [00:34] hmm you think its the bios? [00:34] oh that makes sense I guess [00:34] whats hibernate? [00:34] S5? [00:34] Or rather, the ACPI code -- what's called a "DSDT". [00:35] I find it odd that it'd work after hibernate -- hibernate seems mostly like shutdown, to me. [00:35] S4 [00:35] Somewhere the kernel must be poking something in a way that makes the fan work. [00:35] no I think its probably the bios [00:35] DSDT is stored in / part of the BIOS. [00:35] oh hmm [00:36] But you can override it if you can find a fixed one online. [00:37] You'd have to look up your system (laptop or desktop or whatever) by model number, along with the word 'ACPI'. [00:37] yeah tried that already [00:37] havent really found anything [00:37] oh well not my laptop [00:37] just the chipset [00:38] Dang. === tonyyaru1so is now known as tonyyarusso [00:54] hmph. We seem to have a problem with the default mixer element being mislabeled in pavucontrol. [00:54] e.g., PCM vice Master [00:58] PulseAudio does odd things to my USB headset. [00:58] The control name in alsamixer is "Speaker". When I try to use the gnome volume control, the left channel repeatedly drops to zero volume. [01:03] DanaG: what're the `lshal` and `asoundconf list` bits for your headset? [01:06] oh [01:07] asoundconf list: "Headset" (without quotes) [01:07] Which part of LSHAL? Just name and Device ID? [01:08] info.product Logitech USB Headset [01:08] DanaG: everything relevant to your headset. [01:09] I'll pastebin the whole thing, then. [01:11] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49369/ [01:11] Oddly, it shows up as a composite device with only one subdevice. [01:11] I guess they must make another model that uses similar chips but adds a HID device, or something. [01:14] unfortunately there's no SSID info [01:14] that's the only way that can be cross-referenced [01:16] SSID? [01:16] subsystem identifier [01:16] Oh yeah, another odd thing is that it shows three "USB Audio Interface" devices in hal-device-manager tree, but only one has the sound card subdevice. [01:17] hal just needs to be taught about it. [01:17] Even Windows shows it as a USB Composite Device. Besides that cosmetic issue, the "mutes left channel" is the real issue. [01:17] I believe PulseAudio is what's doing that. [01:18] ... [01:18] why would PA have anything to do with what d- [01:18] h-d-m exposes? [01:18] Oh wait, it's not pulseaudio. Even without PA running, gnome volume control still mutes the left channel. [01:19] so we need to look at GSt if alsamixer/amixer/aumix work correctly. [01:19] AAh. Console alsamixer works correctly. [01:42] i do wish liferea had proper mime type handling === bigon is now known as bigon` [02:03] what's this new sound system being developed? [02:04] I'm entirely new to the linux community (first week) and my friend (who intro'd me) told me about this new sound system [02:25] romistrub, possibly pulseaudio. [02:28] * DanaG uses PulseAudio. [02:28] It can do wonderful things, but it also can cause evil bugs in poorly-coded apps. [02:29] For example, one time PulseAudio crashed, and the next time Pidgin went to play a sound, it sat there eating up my memory until it was taking 80% of (RAM + SWAP). [02:30] hehe, pidgin = poorly coded app =D [02:49] is there a way to stop this new xorg from ignoring /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? === tritium_ is now known as tritium [05:33] 2+2 = ....buzz..buzz..buzz... 10. In base 4, I'm fine. [05:34] s/=/is/ [06:45] Hmm, I just discovered ANOTHER thing about PulseAudio: [06:45] It uses the "PCM" slider of my Audigy, not the "Front", so I can't upmix. === FunnyHat is now known as FunnyLookinHat === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [07:08] PulseAudio also won't automatically use surround on my Audigy2. [07:08] your sound setup sounds terrible. [07:08] crimsun: fix it :) [07:08] crimsun: DanaG's sounds worse than my old frankenstinean laptop, no? [07:09] No, it actually sounds rather good. [07:09] it should sound better. It uses speex's resampler by default. [07:09] also, I noted the mixer element issue above. [07:10] it's 2 AM localtime, so I will have to peer more closely later today. [07:10] * Hobbsee was meaning level of tempramentalness, not actual sound [07:11] Oh, and daemon.conf seems to have had all comments removed lately. [07:11] the .dpkg-old version still has them. [07:11] um, no. [07:12] that's very much a local issue for you. [07:12] Odd. [07:13] Hobbsee: yes, but [un]fortunately that's not PA's fault. We can blame ALSA for the overly complex mixer elements enumeration for EMU10Ks. [07:13] granted now that we've had that for upwards of a half-decade, we have to carry that legacy compatibility... [07:13] If you need sleep, you should get sleep. [07:13] true [07:13] just don't give up sound, whatever you do [07:13] It's 11:13 for me (Pacific) so I should go to bed soon, anyway. [07:14] hi all, quick question.. i have hardy installed, but i want kde4.. how do i go about that. i tried installing kde4 and kde4-core but aptitude gave me dependency errors and won't install it. [07:14] That reminds me... I've spotted a few bugs in various packages, but I reeeally need to formally file them. [07:14] (speaking of KDE 4, I'm quite pleased that it will be an option for 8.04.) [07:15] ....and not get stuck in an endless cycle of "I'll do it tomorrow". [07:15] memoserv your primary irc nick. [07:15] use tomboy or stickies, etc. [07:16] use compiz. [07:16] annotate :) [07:16] far more effective. [07:16] There's also some "don't forget the milk" site online. [07:17] * Hobbsee thinks annotate is far more effective [07:17] It's not permanent, though. [07:17] unfortunately compiz requires enabling dri, and simply enabling dri is strongly correlated to a plummet in work productivity by sig11s. [07:18] * DanaG uses nvidia. [07:18] I just hope ATI is better than NVIDIA by the time summer rolls around. [07:18] Oh, one of the bugs I need to file: that scheduler issue. [07:18] (my symptom is similar to #175744.) [07:18] DanaG: for every bug you file, you either have to fix one, or triage 2. [07:19] Hmm, is src-sinc-fastest better than the speex resampler? [07:19] no [07:20] I guess I need to either give up folding@home or resign myself to running hot. [07:20] Even if I 'nice' the folding@home processes, anything else (such as PulseAudio) using CPU will speed it up. Perhaps I just need to change the thresholds. [07:20] hmm, or be more precise regarding "better". [07:21] Better as in audible quality difference. [07:21] then no, it's most definitely "worse" than the default speex one used. [07:22] you could also just disable resampling period. [07:22] I haven't thought about how that'd work. [07:23] I would definitely disable resampling before burning a hole in my pants. [07:23] granted, if it came to that, I'd chase down a bug in src:linux. [07:23] barring that and using laziness, revert to l-i-2.6.22-14-generic [07:24] ok, time to board the train. [07:24] ^Ad [07:24] Huh? [07:24] Train? [07:25] ^Wmetro, aka "train" [07:26] Oh yeah, is there a way to make snd-usb-audio be able to give multiple indexes, but none below a certain number? [07:27] more precise example? [07:27] Eeh, perhaps commas will work. [07:27] Anecdotal remark of a time long past, but back in the days when 2.6.15 was the supplied kernel (was that the dapper?), my laptop reported a cpu temperature in the high 40's or low 50's. After dist-upgrading, it ran consistently in the high 50's and up to 65-67C... [07:27] yes, commas would work. [07:27] Just apropos "running hot"... [07:27] Is there a way to customize the big black bar at the bottom of kde 4? [07:27] I recommend using slots= for snd.ko instead of index= for snd-*.ko, though. [07:28] unfortunately that [slots] param isn't in 1.0.15 in 2.6.24 [07:28] you'll need hg or a snap [07:29] I indent to have onboard be 0, audigy be 1, and anything usb be 2 or above. [07:29] ...but then again, with PulseAudio, it doesn't matter. [07:29] right, I wouldn't use plug: for PA [07:29] just use PA natively [07:29] (w/ hal) [07:30] I think I made that comment earlier last night [07:30] Oh yeah, now I remember why I keep them in a certain order: for the Gnome mixer. [07:31] (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/109439/comments/4) [07:31] Launchpad bug 109439 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio should use default alsa devices" [Undecided,New] [07:32] Pulseaudio as default, using default: bad. Very bad. I know -- I've tried it, accidentally. [07:33] Gaack, that hotplug sound always catches me by surprise. It's actually kind of funny that I haven't learned not to put headphones on until after I've plugged them in. [07:34] (referring to 'conditioned response', partly.) [07:34] ok, really 'night. [07:34] Good nigh. [07:34] t. [07:35] Next thing I think I'll do: ditch my Audigy and get a CM106-based USB sound card. [07:35] * DanaG redirects his rant to /dev/null [07:46] Note to self: don't repeatedly eject and insert my Audigy. [07:55] Hi! [08:04] anyone know how i can make xorg pat attention to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [08:07] DarkMageZ: xorg pat? [08:07] pay* [08:08] it appears to be completely ignoring it :( [08:08] DarkMageZ: X needs to be restarted for xorg to be reread [08:08] i rebooted the entire syste [08:09] DarkMageZ: well then what is the change you are trying to do? [08:09] After the reboot are your changes still in the xorg.conf or are they overwritten? [08:10] still in the xorg.conf [08:12] still asking what you are trying to change and what you think should happen? [08:15] yep, would be interesting [08:16] i added a resolution. [08:16] DarkMageZ: paste the config on pastebin [08:17] http://pastebin.ca/829576 [08:19] the "1280x960" ? [08:19] And you cannot choose it? [08:20] yeah. the 1280x960. can't pick it. works without the fglrx package [08:21] What if you uncomment the other resolutions? [08:22] turn them into comments? shouldn't have to go that far. [08:23] Shouldn't - but I've heard that it sometimes helps - forces the 1280x960 [08:23] right, i'm gonna give it a shot [08:24] But you should be able to make this change back without X [08:24] finally [08:24] my sd card works [08:24] restarting [08:24] * pwnguin does a dance [08:25] <(o-o)< [08:25] >(o-o)> [08:25] \o\ [08:25] The pwnguin-shuffle^^ [08:26] oh man, if these new xorg updates bring in fixed wacom [08:26] im set [08:27] they do not =( [08:27] no change === macd_ is now known as macd [09:37] Did anybody already create a new user with HardyHeron? [09:44] Experienced problems? [10:24] is anyone using hardy with kde4 allready? [10:24] indeed :) [10:24] hehe [10:28] how do i upgrade? is it enough to add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main" to the 3rd party repo and update? [10:28] don't mix gutsy and hardy [10:29] if you want to upgrade just replace gutsy with hardy (and may god have mercy on you) [10:29] in the sources.list file? [10:29] perl -p -i -e s/gutsy/hardy/g /etc/apt/sources.list [10:29] if you want to spend your hollidays fixing your system [10:30] hehe [10:31] "sed -i 's/gutsy/hardy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list" is a shorter command [10:31] what is the last g for ? [10:31] without 'g' it would stop after the 1st instance/replace [10:35] stdin: thats non POSIX :o [10:35] it's how sed works, blame GNU [10:36] indeed. real sed is a lot less forgiving [10:47] One question, I updated the system to hardy, and notice that all gtk application use some default and not-good theme. How can I fix this, or is this a bug? [10:49] I used feisty before, then updated to gutsy, used it for a day, and then updated to hardy. Usially I "update" the system by reinstalling newer version, and this is why I used so outdated version. But now I dicovered that updates aren't bad at all, and now I am back using beta-version of ubuntu [10:50] Mostly this is the only problem I have [10:50] I use kubuntu [10:51] FF3 is ugly here, also gtk related i think [10:51] also kubuntu [10:53] I have all gtk applications ugly: large fonts, square window98 like buttons, etc [10:53] I meant square widgets [10:54] I need to know whenever this is a config-related issue, or a real bug that I will report [10:54] Before the update all applications, but vmware-server did look right [10:55] After update to gutsy I got vmware looking right, but few alpplications got ugly [10:55] Now all are ugly === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian [11:21] Hello guys. [11:21] I have problem. [11:21] GTK themes doesnt working, Firefox/Gajim/Pidgin are ugly. [11:21] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=648099 [11:21] how to fix this ? [11:21] Same here [11:22] :( [11:22] any ideas ? [11:23] Don't have any ideas :-( [11:24] But since you have same issue, this is prbably a bug [11:24] Where can i report about this ? [11:25] Launchpad ? [11:31] You can report bug on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug [11:31] I probably report it there if you don't wat to do so [11:35] and also java doesn't work [11:40] Yep [11:40] "java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [11:42] Java doesn't work here too [11:42] "java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [11:45] MaximLevitsky: how to fix ? :( [11:45] Don't know :-) === bigon` is now known as bigon [13:34] how do i see if i have alpha 1 or 2 installed? [13:36] hit, kernel version. .22 is alpha 1 .24 is alpha 2 [13:36] tho you can just run the updater on alpha 1 to reach alpha 2 [13:37] alpha 2 then already, thanks [13:43] DarkMageZ, any changelog or somthing about what's fixed/added in alpha 2? [13:43] +e [13:44] hit, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha2 is all i can think of atm. [13:44] tho there's probably more =D [13:45] i'm curious about those screen freezes i've had here with alpha 1 [13:46] so far haven't had any with 2, so maybe it's fixed somehow [13:50] hi can somebody give me a link how to fix the 'running local boot script' on hardy please ? [13:51] when i google i just get fixes for 7.10 ??? [13:52] roar [13:52] another freeze [13:52] ctrl alt backsp won't even work [13:53] hit, i haven't experienced any freezing. probably a driver issue. [13:54] no help 4 this prob ? [13:54] ati drivers [13:54] not official [13:55] hit, refering to fglrx or ati 6.7.197? [13:55] ati [13:55] fglrx was even worse [13:56] i'm running ubuntu's ati (xorg) driver. stable. chipset version with driver issue i would guess. [13:57] what ati chipset? rv200/300/410 [13:57] so what can i do to get hardy working ? [13:57] 9550 [13:58] hit, lspci | grep ati [13:58] RV350? [13:59] ah. same as my card (probably a different clock rate and stuff) [13:59] ah and i have 6.7.196 [13:59] as synaptic says [14:00] yeah. there's no changes in upstream's code that directly references our chipset as unstable. are you sure it's not a hardware issue. [14:01] i.e gaming in windows is fine [14:02] can't be hw problem i think [14:02] gaming is a good test. was a previous ubuntu/linux fine? [14:03] again [14:03] nobody here to help me ? [14:03] very often happens when using firefox [14:04] optx, i have nfi about your problem :p [14:04] hit, gaming is a good test. was a previous ubuntu/linux fine? have you applied some tweaks to your xorg conf or something? [14:04] DarkMageZ: u got hardy running ? [14:05] didn't have any problems with gutsy and xorg conf should be quite default [14:05] optx, yeah. it's stable here. [14:05] conf is quite small also imo.. [14:06] hmm k gonna check a other release .. [14:06] couldnt even boot the 64bit one :( [14:06] hit, i'm out of ideas. maybe poke the guys in #radeon or #xorg. get some debugging happening =D [14:06] DarkMageZ, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49415/ [14:09] hit, you might also want to apply this to your xorg.conf [14:09] Section "ServerFlags" [14:09] Option "NoTrapSignals" "true" [14:09] EndSection [14:09] which is...? [14:10] it disables xorg's own debug handling and will properly crash (so the ubuntu crash handler can do it's work) [14:10] sounds good [14:10] which reminds me to do it to my own xorg.conf ? [14:13] hit, please do attempt to get this debugged. i'd hate to see yet another bug like that slip into yet another release. [14:14] anyways. i'm out. it's 1:13am here =D [14:14] 4:14pm :p [14:14] i've searched ubuntuforums and there are some threads about the same issue [14:15] some of them had found fixes to it, but they're not working for me === bigon is now known as bigon` [14:15] yeah, it's not good for them to hack around the problem. i believe these things shouldn't happen (if possible) in the first place. [14:16] especially with a critical component such as xorg [14:17] hit, yeah, it's not good for them to hack around the problem. i believe these things shouldn't happen (if possible) in the first place. especially with a critical component such as xorg. [14:18] yep [14:18] anyways, i'm out. laters. good luck. [14:29] hey, the PPA kde4 repository from launchad is 'better' than the packages from kubuntu 7.10/8.04? [14:30] i mean better as in "more updated" :\ === Knofi_ is now known as Knofi === bigon` is now known as bigon === bigon is now known as bigon` [17:22] i got kubuntu hardy, i want to install kde4, but seems the packages from ppa are broken (dependencies issues) [17:23] can anyone give me some tips on how to install kde4? :| === bigon` is now known as bigon [17:38] I've got the Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 2 ISO booted in a VM with a blank partition table. I can click ok to make a partition table, but there's no option to create partitions... Am I missing a step here, or is it head-to-launchpad time? === bigon is now known as bigon` [18:06] Hi all [18:32] Anyone know what's with the kubuntu LTS being dropped at the last moment? [18:32] The next Kubuntu LTS seems to have been pushed back to 2010 [18:36] I would guess they wanted to play it safe? :) [18:36] Linux is growing/evoloving so fast lately.. its scary [18:44] Who cares... it's necessary to have LTS versions. : ) [18:46] hi, does anyone notice very sluggish gtk menu speed? For example, click on the "Applications" menu and navigate to "Places" and "System"; it's very sluggish on my systems. Gutsy didn't have this problem === bigon` is now known as bigon [19:04] anyone have issues when using the restricted ati driver (fglrx)? i just selected it in the restricted driver manager and now I don't get anything, just a blank screen [19:06] It might be the new CFS scheduler in 2.6.24. [19:06] it might also be the new fglrx :) [19:06] I've noticed sluggishness on my system, too. [19:13] nixternal: I had to break down and install it manually on a friend's box [19:14] Oh, wait, wrong channel. I had to manually install it in Gutsy... [19:14] No way would I put Hardy on someone else's box. [19:14] Hello guys. [19:14] Also, who's idea was it to make it another "H" release? I keep calling it Hoary [19:14] GTK+ themes doesn't work under KDE [19:14] i get the rather ugly default unthemed GTK+ look [19:15] in all GTK applications [19:15] what to do? [19:15] i tried to choose theme in gtk-qt config page [19:15] in system-settings [19:15] but its doesnt work [19:15] tried to add a new user, but i got same results. [19:26] Gaack, my fonts are all color-fringey! [19:27] Yes, and the fonts look horrible at 800x600 :P [19:29] What happened to my legacy lcdfilter? [19:30] Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/100-legacy-subpixel.conf", line 5: invalid constant used : legacy [19:33] Aieee, it's all cleartype-ey! [19:57] kcontrol is broken in Hardy... I miss it :( (I'm not a fan systemsettings, this will be fixed before the day is over...) [20:28] are the repos down right now? === bigon is now known as bigon` [21:13] did the gpg keys for the hardy packages change? [21:13] WorkingOnWis1, ive heard a few others ask that as well.. I wonder if some of the servers may be down. theres not a lot of people asking. [21:13] I get errors when trying to upgrad to hardy [21:13] (from 7.10) [21:20] Sometime servers can be flaky, and sometimes there can be dependency conflicts. [21:21] but with the standard upgrad procedure too?! [21:21] I usually use Aptitude for nearly everything. [21:21] What kind of errors are you getting? (describe, don't paste.) [21:22] uhm... approximately something like "Can't verify those packets: *insert all the packets here* " [21:22] Aah, try re-updating package lists. [21:22] That usually happens if a connection dies during a package-list update. [21:22] nope, tried several times :) [21:22] including apt-get updates in between [21:23] aah. [21:23] no MD5/SHA1 errors [21:23] simply signing errors afaik [21:23] Hmm. [22:44] Gaack, and I can't find the CD drive in Wine apps. [23:29] DanaG : you have to add the cd drive manually in winecfg [23:30] I did, but the next time I open winecfg, it's not there. [23:31] huh [23:36] And the "d::" symlink is still there in ~/.wine/dosdevices