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| persia | ScottK: Merry Christmas. | 07:05 |
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| ramvi | You know when you go to Sound and choose what channels you want to change the volume of with your hotkeys? How can I set that option with a command? | 07:38 |
| * Hobbsee suspects that's an #ubuntu question | 07:38 | |
| Hobbsee | as it's support | 07:39 |
| ramvi | oh right. sorry | 07:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | can someone tell me what "This bug is not recorded as needing to be fixed in xorg (Ubuntu). " means on bug 177870 ? | 09:59 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177870 in xorg-server "SGI licenced code in Xorg is non-free" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177870 | 09:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | on reflection - is that a #launchpad question? | 10:01 |
| persia | Kamping_Kaiser: It's more of an #ubuntu-bugs question. The main reason is that the xorg-server source package provides the xorg binary package. | 10:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | heh. new channel i'm not aware of :/ | 10:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | persia, thanks for the answer. i'll follow up in #ubuntu-bugs | 10:05 |
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| * Hobbsee updates KmosReport | 11:58 | |
| slytherin | persia: thanks for uploading gnusim8085 package. :-) | 12:02 |
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| slytherin | Hi, does anyone know whether there will be an epiphany-webkit package? | 13:17 |
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| slytherin | !epiphany-webkit | 13:27 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about epiphany-webkit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:27 |
| persia | slytherin: Deferred. Try midori | 13:33 |
| Nafallo | midori? | 13:33 |
| Nafallo | !midori | 13:33 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about midori - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:33 |
| joejaxx | Hello All | 13:33 |
| joejaxx | :) | 13:33 |
| persia | Nafallo: GTK + webkit. | 13:33 |
| Nafallo | persia: BDSM pornstar? :-) | 13:33 |
| persia | !info hardy midori | 13:34 |
| ubotu | Package hardy does not exist in gutsy | 13:34 |
| slytherin | LOL | 13:34 |
| persia | !info midori hardy | 13:36 |
| ubotu | midori: Fast and lightweight web browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.12-1 (hardy), package size 55 kB, installed size 208 kB | 13:36 |
| * Nafallo likes the physical Midori better :-) | 13:40 | |
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| imbrandon | just poping in for a sec to tell everyone Merry Christmass, now time to open presents with the kiddos | 14:39 |
| imbrandon | everyone have a good day /me is afk for the next ~24 hours | 14:39 |
| jpatrick | imbrandon: merry x'mas! | 14:39 |
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| x-ip | hi, i ask for help to make a package from this proyect http://wiki.aonx.com.ar | 16:00 |
| x-ip | its a gpl proyect, its in spanish and i can help to translate what is needed | 16:00 |
| x-ip | some volunteer= ? | 16:00 |
| crimsun | x-ip: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#head-f4c6048b1531f4e4fe48f096350ea435d40ed9f5 | 17:01 |
| tritium | Morning, crimsun. | 17:06 |
| crimsun | 'morning, tritium' | 17:10 |
| crimsun | hmm, misplaced left ring finger | 17:10 |
| tritium | Merry Christmas from Virginia :) | 17:12 |
| crimsun | the same from the capitol area | 17:13 |
| tritium | Thanks. | 17:14 |
| AnAnt | Hello, I have a problem using update-alternatives, I issued this command: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-ubuntume.so 10, and I got this error: | 17:21 |
| AnAnt | mv: cannot stat `usplash-artwork.so': No such file or directory | 17:21 |
| AnAnt | update-alternatives: unable to rename usplash-artwork.so to /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so: Invalid cross-device link | 17:21 |
| dsop_ | ah good to know: You may announce your upload to #ubuntu-motu not more then once per day | 17:23 |
| dsop_ | so here is my daily announcment: I'm searching for some motu to review my package gcutils http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gcutils | 17:24 |
| crimsun | AnAnt: is that in your package's postinst? | 17:26 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: yes, also I tried to run it manually, still got the same problem | 17:26 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: so ? | 17:28 |
| crimsun | did you --remove it first? | 17:28 |
| crimsun | update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-ubuntume.so | 17:28 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: why --remove ? I want to add /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-ubuntume.so as an alternative | 17:28 |
| crimsun | AnAnt: to erase any existing links. | 17:29 |
| crimsun | it seems to work here fine for a bogus file | 17:29 |
| crimsun | you're using hardy, not gutsy, correct? | 17:30 |
| AnAnt | anyways I did that --remove line, still the --install didn't work | 17:30 |
| AnAnt | gutsy | 17:30 |
| crimsun | pastebin `ls -l /usr/lib/usplash; update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so` | 17:31 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: http://pastebin.com/m4d108f8c | 17:33 |
| crimsun | (looking now) | 17:36 |
| crimsun | ok, and `ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so`? | 17:39 |
| AnAnt | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-10-02 09:17 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-ubuntuME.so | 17:39 |
| crimsun | ok, first it needs to be in auto mode | 17:41 |
| AnAnt | why ? | 17:41 |
| crimsun | next, --remove the usplash-ubuntuME.so one | 17:41 |
| crimsun | then --install the usplash-theme-ubuntume.so one | 17:41 |
| AnAnt | why auto and why remove usplash-ubuntuME.so ? | 17:41 |
| crimsun | because you need to tell the alternatives system to handle the link instead of assuming that the administrator wants it set to whatever s/he did | 17:42 |
| crimsun | the remove is in place because the other templates I'm inspecting use it | 17:44 |
| AnAnt | but I don't want to remove the usplash-ubuntuME.so alternative | 17:44 |
| crimsun | ... | 17:45 |
| AnAnt | can't it have 3 alternatives ? | 17:45 |
| crimsun | sure, but it's on manual. | 17:45 |
| AnAnt | only 2 ! | 17:45 |
| AnAnt | aha | 17:46 |
| AnAnt | I had to make it auto | 17:47 |
| AnAnt | but I don't have to remove usplash-ubuntuME.so alternative ! | 17:47 |
| crimsun | if you want the alternatives system to choose automatically the lowest one, true. | 17:47 |
| crimsun | s/lowest/highest priority/ | 17:48 |
| AnAnt | so in manual mode I can only have 2 alternatives ? | 17:48 |
| crimsun | no, not at all, you're not limited | 17:48 |
| crimsun | I didn't understand that you want to keep more than one around | 17:49 |
| crimsun | aka, I thought usplash-ubuntuME.so was the obsolete version of usplash-theme-ubuntume.so | 17:49 |
| crimsun | (e.g., the various -artwork-usplash maintainer scripts I'm inspecting assume this latter use case) | 17:51 |
| AnAnt | ic, how to return to manual mode ? | 17:52 |
| crimsun | just set it manually | 17:53 |
| crimsun | (from a prompt) | 17:53 |
| x-ip | thanks for the link crimsun, i'll check it and try out after a little rest | 17:53 |
| AnAnt | ok | 17:54 |
| AnAnt | thanks, | 17:54 |
| crimsun | np | 17:54 |
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| superm1 | crimsun, you still around? | 18:14 |
| crimsun | yes | 18:15 |
| superm1 | i noticed something really odd on a laptop that i upgraded to gutsy with a usb headset. it appears that the mixer controls are broken | 18:16 |
| superm1 | and that audio will only come out one earphone | 18:17 |
| superm1 | so i was looking to start to debug what was broken, but haven't the faintest where to start | 18:17 |
| crimsun | the mixer applet should (and alsamixer may) exhibit that. amixer is known to work correctly. | 18:17 |
| crimsun | what's the SSID of the usb audio device | 18:18 |
| superm1 | hm okay. let me give skype a shot using amixer | 18:18 |
| superm1 | how do i grab the ssid of it? | 18:18 |
| crimsun | lsusb -v | 18:18 |
| superm1 | i dont see anything entitled ssid on that, here is the lsusb output however: http://pastebin.com/m5731904a | 18:20 |
| superm1 | (its just for that device) | 18:20 |
| crimsun | SSID is the subsystem identifier. You'll rarely, if ever, see it explicitly labeled as such. | 18:21 |
| superm1 | ah | 18:21 |
| crimsun | right, USB. So you won't even have an SSID in many cases. In that case you could go with the vendor:dev ID, which is 047f:c001 | 18:22 |
| crimsun | SSIDs are mainly useful for other PCI devices in which the vendor:dev ID is too general. | 18:23 |
| superm1 | so usually devices other than usb will have an SSID then | 18:23 |
| crimsun | no, sometimes USB devices have SSIDs | 18:24 |
| crimsun | ISA and MCA devices don't IIRC | 18:24 |
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| crimsun | sec, looking through device tables. | 18:27 |
| crimsun | ah, excellent. | 18:27 |
| crimsun | I bet you need a usbquirk entry. | 18:28 |
| superm1 | within the kernel module for usb audio? | 18:28 |
| crimsun | make sure that both alsamixer and amixer don't control the mixer elements correctly, first. | 18:28 |
| crimsun | yes, it would be in sound/usb/usbaudio.c or sound/usb/usbquirks.h | 18:29 |
| superm1 | crimsun, okay it appears i can modify the mixers together using amixer | 18:32 |
| superm1 | but alsamixer and the applet both break when trying to change one or the other | 18:32 |
| superm1 | additionally skype only works from one earphone no matter what the volume, but other apps seem to work fine, so i might be apt to just blame that on skype | 18:33 |
| crimsun | can you work around that ("skype only works from one earphone") for now using amixer? | 18:33 |
| superm1 | let me see. | 18:34 |
| crimsun | is the symptom reproducible using Hardy Alpha 2? | 18:34 |
| superm1 | i wiped my hardy vm a few days ago to make some space, i'll have to rebuild it to see | 18:34 |
| superm1 | has a quirk already been added for my device in hardy? | 18:35 |
| superm1 | well it appears i can get skype to work from both earphones by changing the devices among hw:blahblah to plughw:blahblah in skype settings, so that isn't a worry. | 18:35 |
| crimsun | no, but I need to narrow whether it's a control layer regression (you're not the first to report such with a usb audio device, and I've experienced it myself in Hardy with my onboard HDA) or a driver issue | 18:36 |
| superm1 | ah | 18:36 |
| crimsun | the relevant sources are alsa-lib and alsa-utils for the former | 18:37 |
| jeromeg | superm1: hello, concerning your xfce4-terminal issue, I think it's worth ontaxting upstream | 18:38 |
| superm1 | alsa kernel modules still aren't moved to lum it looks like. eh, a git checkout of the whole kernel will take ages on the connection i'm on | 18:38 |
| jeromeg | *contacting | 18:38 |
| superm1 | jeromeg, any particular list to forward it on to? | 18:38 |
| jeromeg | maybe xfce4-dev | 18:38 |
| crimsun | superm1: lum in hardy will not have alsa; it remains in linux. | 18:39 |
| jeromeg | i'll give you the adress in a minute | 18:39 |
| crimsun | 1.0.15 is pretty stable | 18:39 |
| superm1 | crimsun, for some reason I thought I recalled discussion of it being put into lum, but if its stable i guess there isn't any worries | 18:39 |
| crimsun | it would have required far too much hackery for linux-headers | 18:40 |
| jeromeg | superm1: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/goodies-dev/ | 18:40 |
| jeromeg | xfce4-terminal is part of the xfce goodies | 18:40 |
| superm1 | jeromeg, okay thanks. i'll see if i cant shoot a message up that way | 18:41 |
| jeromeg | superm1: you cna contact benny directly i think | 18:41 |
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| superm1 | crimsun, okay i just got a hardy based vm up and running, and using alsamixer appears to properly control the volume of both left and right at the same time | 19:24 |
| crimsun | excellent, then it's not an alsa issue. | 19:25 |
| crimsun | SEP, as many would say ;) | 19:25 |
| superm1 | haha | 19:25 |
| superm1 | makes it a bit harder for me to backport some sort of fix to gutsy in the interim though too :) | 19:26 |
| crimsun | not really, just backport Hardy's alsa-lib and alsa-utils | 19:27 |
| crimsun | [what I really should have said above is "not an alsa issue in Hardy"] | 19:27 |
| superm1 | good call. easy enough | 19:29 |
| superm1 | gah i must be a geek when i would rather type "ls -l| grep 12-25 | grep deb | grep -v ddeb | awk '{print $8}' | grep -v doc | grep -v dev | xargs sudo dpkg -i" than figure out what debs were produced from a pbuilder | 19:44 |
| crimsun | and you would be even more of a geek to combine those grep expressions, where applicable, into awk ones ;) | 19:45 |
| superm1 | hehe | 19:45 |
| kitterma | superm1 or crimsun: I just got my first iPod. As a Kubuntu user, is Amarok what I want to manage it? | 19:49 |
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| superm1 | ScottK2, yeah that or gtkpod will do | 19:50 |
| superm1 | which series however? | 19:50 |
| superm1 | for the touch, and the new classic, you need the newer libgpod | 19:50 |
| ScottK2 | It's the new nano. I'm working on backporting the new libgpod right now. | 19:50 |
| superm1 | ScottK2, i already did that | 19:50 |
| superm1 | look on the ipod-touch ppa | 19:50 |
| ScottK2 | Ah. Cool. | 19:51 |
| superm1 | also rebuilt amarok, gtkpod, banshee and a few others against it | 19:51 |
| ScottK2 | Cool. Saves me a lot of trouble. | 19:51 |
| superm1 | yeah, everyone seems to miss that ppa, i'm not sure how to let more people know about it :) | 19:51 |
| ScottK2 | superm1: You might write an Ubuntu wiki page about it. | 19:52 |
| superm1 | i did | 19:52 |
| superm1 | its on the iPhone & iPod touch wiki pages | 19:52 |
| ScottK2 | OK. | 19:52 |
| ScottK2 | As an iPod novice, I wouldn't have known iPod touch was what to look for. | 19:52 |
| superm1 | ah yeah good point. when i assembled the ppa, i didn't realize how many other devices it would be applicable for | 19:53 |
| ScottK2 | superm1: Have you got a link for your wiki page. I can't find it. | 19:54 |
| superm1 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone | 19:54 |
| superm1 | ipod-convenience is only needed for iphone and ipod-touch though | 19:55 |
| superm1 | you just need to enable the ppa and update libgpod, and other related apps from the ppa | 19:55 |
| ScottK2 | Cool. Thanks. | 19:56 |
| superm1 | have fun with it :) | 19:57 |
| superm1 | wonderful. newer alsa-driver/alsa-lib/alsa-utils does appear to fix it. thanks crimsun | 20:01 |
| ScottK2 | superm1: One comment on your version numbering... 2:1.4.8-0ubuntu1~gutsy1+ppa1 is a higher version number than an official backport might get. I'd suggest something like 2:1.4.8-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 for future efforts. | 20:01 |
| superm1 | ScottK, well the goal was to make it higher than the backport | 20:02 |
| crimsun | np. | 20:02 |
| superm1 | because the backport isn't rebuilt against libgpod3 | 20:02 |
| superm1 | whereas this is | 20:02 |
| ScottK2 | Understand. Generally I think it's better to keep ppa versions lower than official ones. | 20:03 |
| superm1 | agree to an extent | 20:04 |
| superm1 | someone using a ppa will probably want the ppa to be a higher priority than a regular archive while they are on say gutsy | 20:04 |
| superm1 | but when they upgrade to hardy | 20:04 |
| superm1 | they'd like the hardy version to take priority | 20:04 |
| superm1 | even if they still had the ppa one installed | 20:05 |
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| superm1 | so for example the other day when that amarok backport came through, there were posts on the forums of people not sure why all of a sudden "artwork stopped working when they did an update", but it was because the ppa was lower than the backport version | 20:08 |
| ScottK2 | Right, but someone using a PPA had to set it up explicitly. | 20:14 |
| ScottK2 | It might be useful to recommend someone installling from PPA not enable backports. | 20:14 |
| ScottK2 | superm1: It all installed fine, but it doesn't seem to want to connect via Amarok. | 20:15 |
| ScottK2 | I can browse the iPod just fine with D3lphin. | 20:15 |
| superm1 | ScottK2, hm. you can attempt gtkpod instead. | 20:15 |
| ScottK2 | It asks me for a pre-mount command. | 20:16 |
| superm1 | you shouldn't need one for the nano/classic | 20:16 |
| ScottK2 | OK. | 20:16 |
| superm1 | only the iphone/ipod touch need them | 20:16 |
| ScottK2 | I'd like to get amarok working, so I'll fiddle with it a bit. Thanks. | 20:18 |
| ScottK2 | superm1: Do I need ipodslave? | 20:19 |
| superm1 | ScottK2, ah i had assumed it was installed by default | 20:19 |
| superm1 | in kubuntu | 20:19 |
| superm1 | there is a kde io slave you need for it yes | 20:19 |
| ScottK2 | OK. It wasn't. | 20:20 |
| ScottK2 | I don't think. | 20:20 |
| ScottK2 | Thanks. | 20:20 |
| superm1 | that's probably worth adding to the wiki pages | 20:20 |
| ScottK2 | You mention it on yours. That's how I knew to ask. | 20:21 |
| ScottK2 | superm1: That did it. Thanks again for all your help. | 20:26 |
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| superm1 | no prob | 20:28 |
| superm1 | ScottK2, if you get a few moments, maybe can you make another wiki page explaining what is necessary for the newer nanos/classics then? | 20:28 |
| sommer | merry x-mas all, is there a debootstrap script for hardy? | 20:49 |
| superm1 | sommer, yeah grab debootstrap from hardy repos and you can debootstrap into it | 21:03 |
| sommer | superm1: ah... thanks man | 21:04 |
| superm1 | np | 21:05 |
| imbrandon | ScottK2 / superm1 : no i never got arround to filing the MIR for ipodslave | 21:23 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, are you going to? | 21:24 |
| superm1 | i suppose it would make sense to at least be a recommend on amarok | 21:24 |
| imbrandon | superm1: yea, i had planned to | 21:24 |
| imbrandon | infact i might have even done the MIR for it but not the actual work | 21:25 |
| imbrandon | not sure, i need to follow up | 21:25 |
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| jas01 | What would you recommend for someone who wants to get into ubuntu development? I mean as far as programming languages and a starting point? | 22:11 |
| Larose | Which package creates /lib/modules directory ? | 22:14 |
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| Vorian | merry christmas :) | 22:20 |
| Vorian | how can I fix this error? http://pastebin.com/m78929a0a | 22:20 |
| awen_ | Vorian: are you sure you have your own key in the gpg keyring? | 22:27 |
| awen_ | jas01: I just started contributing, and started by trying to fix some bugs... you can start by reading here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | 22:28 |
| awen_ | jas01: but if you know a certain programming language i'm pretty sure, that help is needed, but i don't know that much about that... atm it seems the christmas quietness finally has arrived here ;) | 22:29 |
| awen_ | Larose: run "dpkg -S /lib/modules" to see which packages you have installed which will create that directory | 22:30 |
| Larose | awen_: ok! thanks :) | 22:32 |
| jas01 | awen_: thanks | 22:33 |
| awen_ | jas01: but if you are planning to learn some language, it seems that python programmers is highly needed for a lot of smaller configuration tools etc. both for kubuntu and ubuntu :) | 22:34 |
| awen_ | Vorian: "gpg -K" lists the secret keys you have in the keyring; check that the emails you uses is on the list | 22:36 |
| jas01 | awen_: i'm glad to hear that because I enjoy working with python. i assume that shell scripting is another large part of package development | 22:38 |
| Kmos | update topic.. REVU is back =) | 22:40 |
| === Kmos changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Unmet Deps time! http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck/ | QA resources from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com | REVU is back - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com | ||
| awen_ | jas01: haven't worked with it myself; so try to avoid bugs from python based packages atm :) ... but then i'm sure that something might be around | 22:42 |
| awen_ | have you tried asking in the #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel rooms... might very well be someone better to talk to there | 22:44 |
| Vorian | awen_, aye, it't correct | 23:07 |
| Vorian | (sorry, stepped away for a moment) | 23:07 |
| awen_ | Vorian: kan you do a manual debsign? | 23:09 |
| awen_ | kan=can | 23:10 |
| Vorian | yeah, it autosigned my .dsc | 23:11 |
| awen_ | Vorian: so it signed it, but you still get an error? | 23:12 |
| Vorian | hmm | 23:12 |
| Vorian | never mind | 23:12 |
| Vorian | found the error | 23:12 |
| Vorian | sorry | 23:12 |
| awen_ | Vorian: okay :) | 23:12 |
| Vorian | bad Vorian | 23:12 |
| awen_ | Vorian: can happen to us all... it's getting late, at least where I am ;) | 23:13 |
| Vorian | hehe | 23:13 |
| awen_ | night people | 23:56 |
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