| tsimonq2 | !info plasma-look-and-feel-org-kde-breezedark-desktop | 02:03 |
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| ubottu | plasma-look-and-feel-org-kde-breezedark-desktop (source: breeze): Dark Breeze look-and-feel for Plasma. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.7.2-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 47 kB, installed size 72 kB | 02:03 |
| tsimonq2 | longest package name I've ever seen ^ | 02:03 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 02:07 |
| tsimonq2 | like seriously :P | 02:07 |
| ahoneybun | it is a long name | 02:08 |
| ahoneybun | I guess it would be hard to know what it was otherwise | 02:08 |
| tsimonq2 | yofel: ...why can't it be simpler? :P ^ | 02:09 |
| ahoneybun | tsimonq2: I found a wordpress theme called Buntu lol | 02:57 |
| tsimonq2 | heh | 03:00 |
| * ahoneybun has removed python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat and doing an upgrade | 04:17 | |
| ahoneybun | over 700 updates lol | 04:17 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> Here we go, did I break it? Lol | 05:06 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> Well what do you know Plasma remembered my settings for the panel and wallpapers | 05:09 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: has Plasma ever forgotten your settings? | 05:15 |
| ahoneybun | everytime | 05:18 |
| ahoneybun | it switchs the panel and wallpaper | 05:18 |
| valorie | hmmm | 05:18 |
| ahoneybun | puts them on the wrong screen | 05:18 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ valorie | 05:18 |
| valorie | hi tsimonq2 | 05:18 |
| * ahoneybun wonders if he broke his system removing that package | 05:19 | |
| ahoneybun | anyone know anything about how Plasma handles tray icons? | 05:20 |
| valorie | tsimonq2: did all your merge requests get taken care of? | 05:30 |
| valorie | sometimes I see the request, and no answer | 05:30 |
| valorie | then I wonder | 05:31 |
| tsimonq2 | valorie: huh? | 05:44 |
| tsimonq2 | valorie: I haven't submitted an MP since I was a yellow belt :P | 05:45 |
| tsimonq2 | and all have been approved | 05:45 |
| valorie | ok | 06:03 |
| valorie | I was still working through my older email | 06:04 |
| valorie | gonna get even futher behind until I get back from Germany..... | 06:04 |
| tsimonq2 | off to bed for me o/ | 06:08 |
| valorie | niters | 06:09 |
| acheronuk | Morning :) | 08:48 |
| blaze | acheronuk: have you used apt on yakkety? | 10:14 |
| acheronuk | blaze: used, yes. but how do you mean? | 10:21 |
| blaze | is it buggy? | 10:22 |
| blaze | I always see some error messages everytime i run it | 10:23 |
| acheronuk | blaze: no more than normal that I've noticed | 10:23 |
| acheronuk | what errors | 10:23 |
| blaze | assertion failed | 10:26 |
| acheronuk | not seen anything like that, and I do a fair bit via apt/apt-get rather than a package manager | 10:27 |
| mparillo | blaze: Are you running Synaptic? Or apt in the command line? | 10:31 |
| blaze | acheronuk: mparillo: that's what I got http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/21/x01_21_08_2016_13_28_43.png | 10:32 |
| acheronuk | blaze: from that appstream-0.9.8, I would guess you have the version of appstream from yakkety-proposed installed? | 10:38 |
| acheronuk | 0.9.7-1 is the release pocket version | 10:39 |
| acheronuk | possible that could be the reason. maybe | 10:40 |
| blaze | oh | 10:42 |
| * blaze is downgrading | 10:42 | |
| acheronuk | blaze: if not that, then I'm not sure | 10:43 |
| blaze | yep, libappstream3 0.9.8-2 that's what it was | 10:50 |
| acheronuk | blaze: great :) | 10:57 |
| acheronuk | that you fixed it, that is | 10:58 |
| blaze | :) | 10:58 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 11:44 |
| acheronuk | BluesKaj: afternoon | 11:47 |
| BluesKaj | Hi acheronuk | 11:47 |
| BluesKaj | interesting, system monitor process table didn't show update-apt-xapian index at all on yakkety, mind you there were over 400 upgrades yesterday | 11:51 |
| mparillo | BluesKaj: 400 upgrades on YY yesterday? Do you still have the three -staging repositories enabled? | 12:12 |
| BluesKaj | mparillo, no | 12:13 |
| mparillo | TY, logging off XX to check YY. | 12:13 |
| mparillo | Thanks BluesKaj. 364 packages can be upgraded. | 12:20 |
| mparillo | To be removed: libkwineffects7 libtaskmanager5 plasma-discover-private plasma-discover-updater | 12:21 |
| mparillo | Thanks BluesKaj: Looks like many of those YY updates for me were Plasma 5.7.2 and KDE Frameworks 5.24. | 12:40 |
| BluesKaj | mparillo, yeah, same here | 12:41 |
| pursuivant | muon (master) v5.6.0-8-ge0123c8 * Carlo Vanini: src/DetailsTabs/MainTab.cpp | 13:25 |
| pursuivant | hide purge button when marked for change | 13:25 |
| pursuivant | When a package with residual config was marked for purge, the purge | 13:25 |
| pursuivant | button was still shown. Hide it, like the other buttons. | 13:25 |
| pursuivant | http://commits.kde.org/muon/e0123c8fc8b8982cb03792aaa6e4408b3462976d | 13:25 |
| santa_ | valorie: the mails from my merge requests for getting frameworks building with gcc 6 reached the kubuntu-devel mailing list, see: | 15:14 |
| santa_ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010661.html | 15:15 |
| santa_ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010662.html | 15:15 |
| santa_ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010663.html | 15:15 |
| santa_ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010676.html | 15:15 |
| santa_ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010664.html | 15:15 |
| santa_ | but the problem here is not acheronuk not getting the mails from that | 15:15 |
| santa_ | the problem here is that after more than 2 years after sending my first patch I still don't have git permissions | 15:16 |
| santa_ | not even to push the smallest and most obvious fixes | 15:16 |
| santa_ | see the kjsembed patch for instance https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kjsembed/+merge/302705 | 15:17 |
| santa_ | besides the changelog entry, it just changes *one* line. and it was discussed previously that it was the correct solution. and it fixes a build failure | 15:18 |
| santa_ | god help me when I have to change something less important or more complex | 15:18 |
| santa_ | also note that I mentioned the gcc 6 build failures for frameworks several times: | 15:19 |
| santa_ | Mention #1: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/10/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t12:34 | 15:20 |
| santa_ | Mention #2: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t17:14 | 15:20 |
| santa_ | Mention #3: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t21:50 | 15:20 |
| santa_ | Mention #4: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t22:19 | 15:20 |
| santa_ | Mention #5: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/19/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t18:4 | 15:20 |
| santa_ | Mention #6: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/20/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t13:12 | 15:20 |
| santa_ | valorie: so you asked me in the mailing list for a "sustained contribution" | 15:22 |
| santa_ | it's perfectly fine and legit that you asked for that, but please consider that I have been working here for a long time without the slightes warranty that I'm not wasting my time | 15:24 |
| santa_ | slightest | 15:24 |
| santa_ | also besides that unpleasant uncertainty: each time I work on a patch or something .... | 15:28 |
| santa_ | are you aware that many many times I have to spend more time humoring someone to include my patches than writing the patches in question? | 15:29 |
| santa_ | and that being said, do you think this kind of things help me towards keeping a sustained contribution? | 15:30 |
| santa_ | I was told I would be getting git permissions after passing the membership process | 15:32 |
| santa_ | so that would be the end of these kind of problems | 15:33 |
| santa_ | but please think a bit about what you (you=kubuntu) can do to be a nice place to work | 15:37 |
| santa_ | it's really sad that after 2 years I *still* have to work like this | 15:37 |
| santa_ | and sorry for the wall of text, I don't mean to offend, just pointing out some things, which, in my opinion, must be improved | 15:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> santa everywhere has a similar policy about pushing code | 17:10 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: well, I'm also a KDE developer, after sending *3* patches to the mailing list I got SVN permissions | 17:20 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: also, note that this in KDE you get permissions to push code to *any* KDE software, however that's not used as an excuse to not give you the permissions you need to do a proper job | 17:23 |
| santa_ | for instance I don't consider myself to be technically capable enough to make decisions about a patch for plasma for example | 17:23 |
| santa_ | because I never worked on plasma | 17:24 |
| santa_ | so if I happen to have a fix for plasma, instead of pushing it directly (I could do that because in KDE when you get SVN/git permissions you get puhs access to everything), I would use the reviewboard | 17:25 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: now compare it to what we have here: I have been sending patches for 2 years, and when I ask for git permissions I just got called "incompetent" in my face https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/02/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t20:11 | 17:38 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: and that's kind of fun because in case you haven't noticed I have been packaging KDE sfotware for ~ 7 years meaning I probably have more experience than many people who already got access, including yofel | 17:40 |
| santa_ | so please reconsider a bit the way you are dealing with "new" contributors | 17:41 |
| santa_ | it would be nice if they way you deal with new people would be more oriented to help people getting in, rather than keeping them out | 17:42 |
| santa_ | * the way | 17:44 |
| shepster52 | Caution! newbie present! Greetings, I have Ubuntu running the KDE window manager/desktop. Question: What is the difference between what I am running and an install of Kubuntu? | 17:44 |
| acheronuk | shepster52: You are welcome :), but this is a development channel, so that Q would probably be better on #kubuntu | 17:47 |
| santa_ | hi shepster52, maybe this question would be more appropiate for #kubuntu, anyway I don't think you will find much difference if you installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage | 17:48 |
| santa_ | oops | 17:48 |
| acheronuk | shepster52: but not much difference, except you will have kubuntu in addition to whatever DE you had before | 17:49 |
| acheronuk | snap * 2 | 17:49 |
| santa_ | haha | 17:50 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: do all the GCC6 fixes look similar to kjsembed ? | 18:09 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: well there are some which change like 3 lines of the symbols files instead of one if that's the question | 18:10 |
| tsimonq2 | ok | 18:10 |
| tsimonq2 | here's what I'm willing to do, if you give me the heads up that kjsembed works exactly as intended in KCI, I'll go through and approve all your MPs | 18:11 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm figuring out how to approve it now :P | 18:11 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: and I'm really sorry you're feeling this way. By the way, to get Git access, you'd be looking to get Ninja, not Membership ;) | 18:12 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: it was Ninja what I asked, see yofel's reply above | 18:13 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: regarding the gcc6 patches they are targeted to the _archive branch, but once you get them there you could merge them to _unstable | 18:15 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: so with the fixes you presented, would you like those to go into a specific archive or just in KCI for now? | 18:16 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: the way I see is the following | 18:16 |
| santa_ | they are right now in yakkety 5 frameworks which are failing to build, that's a fact | 18:17 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: I tested an equivalent KCI change for kjsembed I think.... | 18:17 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: 5 is ambiguous, you mean the PPA or in the archive? | 18:18 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kjsembed/commit/?id=7be5a25a261be957a80dcc1f4e5b8c2a42c740ec | 18:18 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: any. both archive and staging have 5.24 | 18:18 |
| santa_ | so now you could release yakkety with fw 5.24 or 5.25 | 18:19 |
| santa_ | now lets say you go for 5.24 -> my patches should be included otherwise you would release yakkety with packages which fail to build from source | 18:20 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm not comfortable merging into kubuntu_yakkety_archive quite yet. that's yofel's job. | 18:20 |
| santa_ | now let's say you go for 5.25 -> my patches should be included, and then you can pacakge 5.25 on top of that | 18:20 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 18:21 |
| santa_ | ] <tsimonq2> I'm not comfortable merging into kubuntu_yakkety_archive quite yet. that's yofel's job. | 18:22 |
| tsimonq2 | but I'm not! :P | 18:22 |
| santa_ | note that my criticism (I hope you understand it as constructive criticism) is not about rushing my patches but about how kubuntu deals with new, upcoming contributors | 18:23 |
| tsimonq2 | I understand fully :) | 18:23 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm new here too | 18:23 |
| tsimonq2 | well, you aren't | 18:23 |
| tsimonq2 | but I think it's about the trust of the people involved, otherwise you won't get anywhere | 18:24 |
| santa_ | well, actually I should say "third class citizens" | 18:24 |
| tsimonq2 | I got ninja in a week and a half because I worked hard. who says it shouldn't be the same for you? | 18:24 |
| santa_ | I have been sending patches here for about a couple of years | 18:25 |
| tsimonq2 | that being said, Philip seems to have some reservations. I'd be good to work with him and find out what exactly he would like to see. :) | 18:26 |
| santa_ | and I disagree you got it because you worked hard. don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure you worked hard | 18:26 |
| santa_ | you got ninja because someone decided to make you ninja | 18:27 |
| tsimonq2 | because afair with him being I *think* the only active developer, his vote of yes or no determines it | 18:27 |
| santa_ | which exactly the problem | 18:28 |
| tsimonq2 | the problem there is we lack developers :) | 18:29 |
| santa_ | yeah, well, you won't get more developers this way | 18:30 |
| tsimonq2 | we have clivejo and acheronuk and myself who eventually (if not already) will be candidates for being a developer, so you're wrong there :) | 18:33 |
| tsimonq2 | but, you're a special case | 18:33 |
| tsimonq2 | again, I had a nice turnaround time on my MPs | 18:33 |
| tsimonq2 | but for some reason not yours | 18:33 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> The issue is your past actions santa | 18:33 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: what past actions? | 18:34 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> You disappeared before for one | 18:35 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> I've been around for a solid 2 1/2 year and have only seen you around a little | 18:36 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: too bad you weren't paying attention, because I sent a lot of patches https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+merges | 18:39 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: and I could afford to be more active if didn't have to spend more time humoring someone else to include my patches than writing the patches in question | 18:40 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: hey now, in that patch, there was something I found that wasn't right | 18:40 |
| tsimonq2 | you wanted to merge into kubuntu_yakkety_archive | 18:41 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: also note that the link doesn't include the patches I sent when the packaging was in debian's git | 18:41 |
| tsimonq2 | yet you had it as UNRELEASED | 18:41 |
| santa_ | ahoneybun: so you may find more in the kubuntu-devel mailing list | 18:41 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: that's not wrong, that's intended | 18:42 |
| tsimonq2 | yofel: asking on behalf of the release team (me and Set are doing the flavor-side) is Kubuntu participating in Beta 1? | 18:42 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: that's wrong, you never do that | 18:42 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: even YY archive stays as unreleased in the changelog, until it actually is. | 18:42 |
| tsimonq2 | acheronuk: but I mean as a top entry? | 18:42 |
| tsimonq2 | am I wrong here? | 18:43 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: no, it's not. the packages are failing to build in yakkety | 18:43 |
| santa_ | so this way they can be used to upload an update to yakkety | 18:43 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_, acheronuk: so we have to ask ourselves, WWYD? | 18:44 |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 18:44 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: yes, as once released you increment the version on the next change, and as that has not been released it should be UNRELEASED | 18:44 |
| tsimonq2 | acheronuk: but don't those changes go directly into the archive then? | 18:44 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: not until yofel does it and changes it to released when he does | 18:45 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: so on those MPs you submitted, that's great, thank you, but I'm not good enough at this to merge into kubuntu_yakkety_archive. If you fix something in KCI and want to merge into kubuntu_unstable, I'll be happy to approve if it seems reasonable. :) | 18:45 |
| tsimonq2 | acheronuk: ahhh gotcha | 18:45 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: after all, we have a LOT of different errors in KCI ;) | 18:46 |
| shepster52 | thanks all | 18:46 |
| valorie | santa_: just got to my keyboard | 19:10 |
| valorie | I'll read up before responding | 19:10 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ valorie | 19:15 |
| acheronuk | evening valorie :) | 19:16 |
| tsimonq2 | acheronuk: so did we ship apps 16.04.3 or is that still a WIP? | 19:17 |
| valorie | it's just past noon! | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | ik it's just past 2 PM for me! | 19:18 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: WIP to become a FFE I think | 19:18 |
| valorie | timezones are fun | 19:18 |
| santa_ | tsimonq2: it's not in the archive yet if that's the question | 19:19 |
| santa_ | I also have some important pending reviews for it | 19:19 |
| santa_ | (no pun intended) | 19:19 |
| tsimonq2 | acheronuk: what are we waiting on?!? | 19:20 |
| valorie | that was my question yesterday. It's not just santa_ that has had merges and changes and stuff published on the list that have had no answers on the list | 19:21 |
| valorie | but I don't know who needs to do approvals etc. | 19:21 |
| valorie | having only on Kubuntu Developer right now is a holdup, as is having no MOTU | 19:22 |
| tsimonq2 | well if I'm getting this right, unless we're uploading fixes to packages in a staging PPA, yofel does kubuntu_yakkety_archive (clivejo too?), and the rest of us all could probably do kubuntu_unstable | 19:22 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah ik :/ | 19:23 |
| valorie | santa_: I do not think you are wasting your time | 19:23 |
| valorie | I think we all share your frustration, because everyone is working hard | 19:23 |
| tsimonq2 | agreed | 19:23 |
| valorie | and it seems to take forever to get changes made | 19:23 |
| tsimonq2 | well except for the ninjas which have access but even then, I have no clue why we're waiting on apps 16.04.3 | 19:24 |
| valorie | on the other hand, things are moving in a good direction, and much more quickly than they were last cycle for instance | 19:24 |
| tsimonq2 | I garee | 19:24 |
| tsimonq2 | *agree | 19:24 |
| valorie | I thought we were all gonna have heart attacks by the time of 16.04 release | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | well that sucks, 'cause over at Lubuntu land I was twiddling my thumbs :P | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | santa_: we appreciate your efforts, I'd just be able to do more if you proposed fixes against kubuntu_unstable :) | 19:27 |
| valorie | tsimonq2: much of the frustration is that riddell used to be able to take our tested stuff and get it into the archive | 19:29 |
| valorie | now we are constantly waiting on them | 19:29 |
| valorie | clogs all of our processes us to wait for work we did weeks or even months ago just languish | 19:30 |
| tsimonq2 | we need a MOTU don't we? | 19:30 |
| valorie | that too | 19:30 |
| tsimonq2 | argh I wish I could do more | 19:30 |
| valorie | one thing at a time | 19:31 |
| tsimonq2 | I know :| | 19:31 |
| valorie | we've been fixing our tooling, and that is working better, right? | 19:31 |
| valorie | our packages seem to be in pretty good shape | 19:31 |
| mparillo | It seems to me that having the larger project control Qt hurts. In an emergency (and we are not there yet, right?) didn't Scott offer to help out? | 19:31 |
| valorie | yes, waiting on Ubuntu for Qt does hurt | 19:32 |
| valorie | I don't know a way around that | 19:32 |
| tsimonq2 | well that's just how transitions work :P | 19:32 |
| valorie | mparillo: ScottK can help with some Debian stuff, yes | 19:33 |
| valorie | but I believe he's stepped down from all of his former Ubuntu jobs | 19:33 |
| blaze | that's because some kde man have made Mark nervous and the Riddel was second | 19:34 |
| blaze | saw it with my eyes | 19:34 |
| valorie | not sure what you mean, blaze? | 19:37 |
| blaze | the reason behind all that commotion | 19:39 |
| blaze | with kubuntu council etc | 19:39 |
| valorie | blaze: "some kde man"? | 19:42 |
| valorie | I was there, on the Council, and I don't know what you are talking about | 19:43 |
| valorie | anyway, ScottK still loves us, and so do shadeslayer, and riddell, and sitter | 19:48 |
| valorie | but they aren't working with us as a matter of course | 19:48 |
| blaze | btw, I'm not familiar with the official version of what happened | 19:50 |
| mparillo | And I thought some of those remain MOTU and were willing to upload in an emergency. | 19:51 |
| valorie | shadeslayer is a MOTU and will upload in an emergency | 19:53 |
| valorie | and has done so | 19:53 |
| acheronuk | clivejo: can you change config on KCI? prison has done away with frameworks branch and merged it to master, so I think KCI needs to pull from there? | 20:53 |
| * acheronuk wonders how to update the KCI version of prison when it has been 'debianabimanagered' | 23:10 | |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: what happened with all the merge markers here? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/messagelib/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=4c8509f665aba222136ca27250d696fecbc3ba29 | 23:17 |
| acheronuk | yofel, if you should be around, would updating the prison packaging in the way Neon have here: http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/frameworks/prison.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=d7962eb1ec3a8fb2e9b79fc5f106cd7a31577718 | 23:22 |
| acheronuk | need any modification for the debianabimanager? | 23:23 |
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