[00:19] Centaur5, check users .xsession (.xerror?) fro errors [00:19] do you have sabayon installed? [00:21] I'm installing that now [00:23] I'm getting this in .xsession-errors xrdb: Can't open display '' [00:25] That's rather odd, I wonder what suddenly caused that to happen. [00:33] any hardware/software/configuration chagnges happened recently? [00:41] The thin clients have been dead for over a week and I haven't figured it out. The last thing I changed on the server before they died was setting up a chillispot/freeradius server. [08:15] moin === lionel_ is now known as lionel === ember_ is now known as ember [18:10] anybody know which fs i should be using on a virtual server? ... for the virtual machines themselves [18:26] ext3 as usual .. [19:15] k, just making sure... i'm rsyncing a huge amount of files to it & at the time i wasn't getting any response when attempting to ssh to it to check some things === talaren_work is now known as pteague_work [21:00] ARP cache,, is that held on my router or the computer itself? [21:10] ok held on the server, [21:10] I need to know how to extend the ARP flush to 48 hours [21:46] Delvien_: what is the underlying problem pou're trying to solve? [21:46] *you're [21:47] WoL for my vmware server, If the computer is off for some time.. i cant wake it up by sending it a "magical packet" [21:47] looks like 5 minutes is the timeframe [21:48] Delvien_: hmm - sounds complicated :-) how does vmware fit into this? and which sort of magical packet are you talking about, and which host do you want to wake up from where? [21:49] no no no, i need to wake up my machinie not nec my vm, [21:49] I dont need my vmware server on all the time [21:49] which is run off ubuntu-server [21:49] so i turn off the machine when im not using it [21:50] and when i need it on i use an app called "wakeonlan" so my server will boot up, its a whole thing with wake on lan receives a signal and boots the computer [21:50] but the ARP flush is set to 5 minutes, i cant find ANYTHING online on how to extend this to 48 hours [21:53] nealmcb do you get what im trying to do? [21:54] Delvien_: so we can ignore vmware entirely? [21:54] yep [21:55] and you have a client machine (linux?) [21:55] thats just what my server runs :P [21:55] and a server? [21:55] ubuntu-server [21:55] a client ubuntu-desktop [21:55] server is ubuntu-server 7.10 [21:55] do you get an error message? [21:55] woops nick is wrong === Delvien_ is now known as Delvien [21:56] nealmcb no, it just doesnt wake up because the settings are flushed, the computer simple just doesnt turn on after a time if i send a WOL packet, [21:57] so you think you want to have the client machine remember the ethernet address longer than 5 min? but it doesn't complain about not knowing it? [21:58] if this was a common problem with WoL I'd expect them to suggest a solution.... [21:58] so what is unusual about your configuration? [21:58] nothing, some people have the same problem but like always, they never post their solutions [21:58] * nealmcb nods [21:58] ARP is automatically set to clear within a few minutes or hours [21:59] i can run command "arp" while the computer is on, and man arp shows nothing that will help [21:59] im at a loss [22:01] does a packet get sent? e.g. does ethereal show anything? [22:01] * nealmcb wonders why there is no error message from wakeonlan [22:02] there wouldnt be [22:02] its not accessing the computer itself when its off. its just sending it a packet [22:02] saying "hey wake up" [22:02] there would be no response because the eth card is "sleeping" and only accepts a packet to signal the boot [22:03] I was assuming that the problem was that the arp cache is on the client didn't have the sleeping server's mac address - right? [22:03] s/is on/on [22:03] it has it , but only for a certain amount of time [22:03] you run wakeonlan on the client, right? [22:04] ye [22:04] yep [22:04] so if it sends a packet, it is a problem on the server end, and if it doesn't send a problem, it is a client / network issue [22:04] * nealmcb forgets most of the details of arp caching, frankly.... [22:05] we once had to run a rarp daemon, but since then, most "arp" problems turned out to actually be other networking issues [22:05] ARP caching keeps the mac address and the ip address so if your system goes down for a short amount of time it will keep the same information, the MAC address of course would all stay the same, but the IP would remain [22:05] err wouldnt remian for IP [22:05] remain [22:06] there is a way to extend that ARP caching, but i dont know how to in linux [22:08] what kind of network? what kind of router(s)? [22:09] just LAN atm [22:09] wrt54g [22:15] nealmcb and i know its something in ubuntu-server i can change because if i disconnect the power then turn it off just far enough to get to grub turn it off, and send the WOL it doesnt boot [22:15] but if i let it boot up then shut down, it will wake with the packet [22:17] wired lan? I wonder if the router can be configured to help [22:17] I don't see what the server has to do with it - it is asleep.... [22:18] I would think you'd be changing the arp cache time on your client [22:19] the server might ignore wol when already in grub or something.... [22:24] Delvien: what command line do you use to wake it up - do you give it an ip address or a mac address? [22:24] seems like you just need to remember the mac yourself.... [22:24] nealmcb right i thought that to but what WOL does is keeps power coming to the ethernet , so it can receive a packet, which sends a signal to the mobo to boot [22:24] wakeonlan -i 65.186.88.xx -p 9 00:11:5B:14:4A:xx [22:25] put x's in there so no ones gonna try and hack me :P [22:25] im testing something, hopefully this will work [22:25] so why do you need an arp cache if you give it the mac address? [22:25] put wol into "d" mode [22:26] if the cache is cleared its not on the network technically [22:26] therefore the router is like "huh" and throws the packet away, course, you wouldnt get an error [22:26] unless im wrong [22:26] I think the arp cache is just a local thing used to construct the packet. if you give it the mac addr, it shouldn't need the cache [22:26] the cache is on the server not the client [22:26] no - the router would have its own arp cache [22:27] the cache is on each local machine, whether it is a client, server or router [22:27] but as I say I don't think you need it.... [22:28] i guess you are right [22:28] there is a parameter in the router named "ARP flushing time" that is defined in 5 minutes. [22:28] and sniffing your network will tell you if the packet is being sent [22:28] I have no idea how to change the ARP flushing time [22:28] can you change that? [22:30] weird cant find an option [22:32] if it is a switched network I guess the router might need to be involved, but that would seem error-prone.... [22:32] nealmcb think if i didnt have it on DHCP would it be a problem ? [22:33] is it getting the same ip address each time? [22:33] yeah [22:33] only 2 on the lan atm [22:33] my client and server [22:33] then the answer should be "no it wouldn't matter" [22:33] but of course most of my answers are based on theory, not practice :-) [22:36] anyone know how to get 3ware card working on ubuntu 6.10 server ? [22:37] !hardware [22:37] For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection [22:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection is a blank page with how to file a bug report [22:45] and the first one doesn't have it [22:45] this is 9650SE [22:45] the instructions from 3ware are: http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=15054 [22:45] however it's not working as expected; something is different [22:45] nealmcb was seeing if i could upgrade my routers firmware, of course my router is the ONLY one on the list i have to jump through a flaming hoop to flash [22:46] specifically step 7 [22:54] proprietarysucks: hmm - scary set of instructions.... [22:54] here's the problem I run into [22:55] When I go back to tty1 to 'select' 3w_9xxx, there's nothing to select [22:55] it's still on the same screen it was before [22:55] in other words, the instructions suggest the installer will fail to find drive and then ask you to load a module [22:55] however in reality the installer doesn't seem to be doing that [22:56] I have to have this done on 3 systems asap :( [22:57] proprietarysucks: sorry - not my area of expertise :-( [22:58] perhaps ask 3ware for help or ask them to release the source for the driver and build your own kernel....